From clerk.crescent at gmail.com  Sun Apr  1 14:39:14 2007
From: clerk.crescent at gmail.com (Alan Brown)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:39:14 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Adding RAM to administrative computers
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On 3/31/07, Larry Jackson <lajackson at juno.com> wrote:
> Ok, here we go with the chapter and verse bit.  In one of the
> first paragraphs, the FM group is responsible for furnishing
> computers.  Stakes are not authorized to use their own funds
> to purchase computers.  That means that the truly proper way
> to add memory, if needed is for the FM group to provide it.
> We all doubt that will ever happen.

Thanks, Larry, for taking the time to share your interpretation of the
policy. I wish the policy were sufficiently definitive that it
wouldn't be subject to interpretation. I don't agree at all with your
statement above, and frankly I don't see how it is justified by the
text of the policy, but we probably won't come to an agreement on
this.

I am already on record stating that purchasing memory using budget
funds is within policy, and nothing in your message gives me any
reason to change that, even though you read the same policy and came
to the opposite conclusion. I do worry about the policy -- anyone in
my stake leadership would tell you I am very much a stickler for
following policy.

However, the bottom line is that we are in complete agreement with the
statement "I would expect that each of you would read the policy and,
with your priesthood leaders, determine how best to follow it.  My
interpretation will not necessarily be the one that you will want to
use." There is indisputable wisdom in that statement.

Alan Brown
Assistant Stake Clerk
Sandy Utah Crescent Stake

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From jeffp at jeffszone.com  Sun Apr  1 19:53:32 2007
From: jeffp at jeffszone.com (Jeff Phillips)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 20:53:32 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Adding RAM to administrative computers
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Here is my interpretation of the policy.

At many points we will hear the term "authorized" used to describe
what the church (as in church headquarters) has "authorized"
purchasing on our behalf--they can purchase stuff through whatever
channels they may. FM may indeed be one of those channels.

Then we are given budgets for our stake and ward and as far as I can
tell the purpose of those budget funds are intended to meet local
needs under the direction of local leadership.

We had for example, a family history center that had over a period of
time through various local donations amassed a sizable amount of money
in it's local "other" account. For years the family history center's
leaders desired more computers but were told that they were not
authorized to purchase computers using local funds. Then all the
sudden after an audit they were told they aren't allowed to continue
to amass such a fund with no purpose in spending it. Then they asked
somebody at headquarters what they could do with this money, and
indicated that they wanted more computers. The directive from
whichever department they spoke to was to the effect of, "well, if you
have funds available, what are you asking for? Just go buy what you
need". The order went through the stake technology specialist, and I
believe through the FM group. But, the purchase itself was reimbursed
from the local funds that were available to cover its cost.

If you were to ask headquarters how many computers is this particular
FHC "authorized" to have, they tell you the number that headquarters
authorized purchasing on their behalf. It doesn't include the number
that were purchased using local funds for obvious reasons, because it
was different party that authorized those.

While there are different policies in place (and be sure you are
reading the correct policy document as it is very easy to confuse FHCs
with Units in regards to computer policies), I think personally that
in some degree the same principle applies. If there are funds
available, and a need, then go through the appropriate priesthood
leadership and let those who are authorized make decisions as the use
of church funds to do so appropriately when needed.

Once I had a discussion with someone who felt that the increased youth
funding was not needed, and should just simply go back to church
headquarters at the end of the budget year. I don't follow such logic
personally. The prophet and the council for the dispensing of the
tithes has decided how such funds should be broken up between
different church departments, and it was their decision to increase
funding specifically to enhance local youth programs. Who are we to
say otherwise--to withhold it from our youth leaders and just give it
back as surplus to go toward building temples or whatever else weakens
the very programs the prophet desired to enhance by having provided us
with such funds for such purposes.

So this is my personal opinion -- don't rob peter to pay paul. If the
clerk has to turn the computer on before his meetings and wait a
little longer so that the funds will be available to the leaders that
need it, he can find something else to do in the meanwhile. The import
thing is that the funds first go toward their greatest and most
intended need -- if that be youth, if that be other needs of the ward,
the stake, whatever, "sufferth it to be so now, in order to fulfill
all righteousness". That said, if priesthood leadership identifies
that there is a surplus of funds available, and there is a viable need
and tangible benefit from a purchase, I don't see anything wrong with
them electing to purchase additional things based on local needs--but
they do need to through appropriate channels to do so. Technology
needs should be first directed to the stake technology specialist
before being purchased--you never know when something might not really
be needed because who knows, maybe we already have one in storage
somewhere.

I think extra ram is an excellent item to put on the year end
Christmas Wish List. I've seen this idea in the past and it works
quite well. All organization leaders are asked to submit a Christmas
wish list -- a list of items that they would stand to benefit from,
but aren't necessarily desiring to take directly out of their
designated budget allocation just yet. Sometimes these can be larger
or more expensive items that multiple organizations could share use
of. Then all leaders are asked to submit all receipts they desire to
be reimbursed of by a specific date, such as the 2nd sunday of
December. At this point the bishopric closes out each organization's
budget for the year and pools together what is left over. If any
stragglers miss the deadline, their receipt is held and reimbursed
from the new year's budget in the beginning of January. During this
two weeks, whatever is left in the budget the bishopric reviews the
wishlist items submitted by all the organization leaders and discusses
which purchases would be of the greatest benefit for the ward using
what funds remain.

This kind of puts to rest the hesitation some leaders have when they
feel they would benefit from a particular item but aren't sure if it
is the best decision to spend the funds on such. It gains the
additional insight of the bishopric to discuss such a purchase, and it
is kept on the back burner so that it isn't taking away from other
church programs but is only coming from any surplus. Likewise it
reduces the concern of the bishopric in releasing surplus funds back
to church headquarters when there may actually be a viable and
worthwhile local need for them.

Our unit did this the year before last. A number of wishlist items
were suggested, and what it came down to was the best suggestion of
them all won out -- to purchase baptismal suits for the youth temple
trips, as our number of youth has really put a burden on the temple's
limited laundry facilities to have sufficient clothing available for
the sessions that follow on their schedule.


-Jeff


On 4/1/07, Alan Brown <clerk.crescent at gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> On 3/31/07, Larry Jackson <lajackson at juno.com> wrote:
> > Ok, here we go with the chapter and verse bit.  In one of the
> > first paragraphs, the FM group is responsible for furnishing
> > computers.  Stakes are not authorized to use their own funds
> > to purchase computers.  That means that the truly proper way
> > to add memory, if needed is for the FM group to provide it.
> > We all doubt that will ever happen.
>
> Thanks, Larry, for taking the time to share your interpretation of the
> policy. I wish the policy were sufficiently definitive that it
> wouldn't be subject to interpretation. I don't agree at all with your
> statement above, and frankly I don't see how it is justified by the
> text of the policy, but we probably won't come to an agreement on
> this.
>
> I am already on record stating that purchasing memory using budget
> funds is within policy, and nothing in your message gives me any
> reason to change that, even though you read the same policy and came
> to the opposite conclusion. I do worry about the policy -- anyone in
> my stake leadership would tell you I am very much a stickler for
> following policy.
>
> However, the bottom line is that we are in complete agreement with the
> statement "I would expect that each of you would read the policy and,
> with your priesthood leaders, determine how best to follow it.  My
> interpretation will not necessarily be the one that you will want to
> use." There is indisputable wisdom in that statement.
>
> Alan Brown
> Assistant Stake Clerk
> Sandy Utah Crescent Stake
>
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From lajackson at juno.com  Sun Apr  1 20:25:50 2007
From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:25:50 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Adding RAM to administrative computers
Message-ID: <20070401.202556.1428.0.lajackson@juno.com>


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Alan Brown:

I don't agree at all with your statement above, . . .

_______________

I understand.  But, if you get bored, read the part of my post 
where I agreed with you.  I guess there is too much lawyer in 
me, and I am not even a lawyer.

In the meantime, the beauty of it is that we both seem to feel 
that we can have added memory in our computers.  And soon.

So my question that was never answered:

Is there an improvement in adding 256K of memory to get to 
512K (I do not see it being worth it), or do we need to go to 1M 
to get a noticeable improvement?

Larry Jackson



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From jima at pacifier.com  Sun Apr  1 22:37:48 2007
From: jima at pacifier.com (Adamson)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:37:48 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Re: Adding RAM to administrative computers
References: <20070401.202556.1428.0.lajackson@juno.com>
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We added an additional 512MB of RAM to every MLS computer in our stake, 
bringing the total RAM to 750MB on each machine.  As a result we have 
noticed a marked improvement.  Before adding the memory just about every 
ward clerk was complaining, after the memory upgrade, everyone's happy.  1GB 
is probably overkill.

Jim

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>
> So my question that was never answered:
>
> Is there an improvement in adding 256K of memory to get to
> 512K (I do not see it being worth it), or do we need to go to 1M
> to get a noticeable improvement?
>
> Larry Jackson
>
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Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:03:11 -0400
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From clerk.crescent at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 10:21:28 2007
From: clerk.crescent at gmail.com (Alan Brown)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:21:28 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Adding RAM to administrative computers
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On 4/1/07, Larry Jackson <lajackson at juno.com> wrote:
> Is there an improvement in adding 256K of memory to get to
> 512K (I do not see it being worth it), or do we need to go to 1M
> to get a noticeable improvement?

On March 15, Chuck Johnson posted a message that showed specific
timing results for an upgrade from 256M to 512M. That message showed
speeds that averaged about twice as fast after the upgrade.

Several months ago (prior to the LANDesk implementation) I upgraded
all the units in my stake to 512M. I wasn't as systematic in recording
timings as Chuck was, but it feels much faster  to me, and the ward
clerks have almost all expressed appreciation for the improved speed.
What Chuck reported fits my experience.

There are many factors involved in performance. I'm guessing that
going to 768M would be better (Jim Adamson already shared his results
with this upgrade), and that 1G would be even better. However, I doubt
that the additional 256M increments would produce the same performance
improvement as the first extra 256M. I'm very surprised to hear that
going from 256M to 512M would not produce significant improvements.

Alan Brown
Assistant Stake Clerk
Sandy Utah Crescent Stake

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From tlwalker at nethere.com  Mon Apr  2 11:26:19 2007
From: tlwalker at nethere.com (Tom Walker)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:26:19 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Re: Adding RAM to administrative computers
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Perhaps 1 gig is overkill. But I think 512 is not enough. Perhaps 750 is 
the sweet spot.
I put 2 512's in mine for a total of 1256 Meg just to make sure the Java 
CUP cycle HOG desktop 5.5 works the best it can. Which apparently from 
current posts is "LOUSY"    :-(  :-(
And I thought the programmers for the FHC stuff were Incompetent 
Boobs!!  :-(
BUT don't feel bad. My wife works in the recorders Office of the San 
Diego Temple and the software they get is little better.  :-)

Tom Walker

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> We added an additional 512MB of RAM to every MLS computer in our 
> stake, bringing the total RAM to 750MB on each machine.  As a result 
> we have noticed a marked improvement.  Before adding the memory just 
> about every ward clerk was complaining, after the memory upgrade, 
> everyone's happy.  1GB is probably overkill.
>
> Jim
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>>
>> So my question that was never answered:
>>
>> Is there an improvement in adding 256K of memory to get to
>> 512K (I do not see it being worth it), or do we need to go to 1M
>> to get a noticeable improvement?
>>
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From russellhltn at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 15:26:06 2007
From: russellhltn at gmail.com (RussellHltn)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:26:06 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Adding RAM to administrative computers
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>>> On March 15, Chuck Johnson posted a message that showed specific timing
results for an upgrade from 256M to 512M. That message showed speeds that
averaged about twice as fast after the upgrade. <<<

Yes he did.  But the thing I noticed is that the major improvement was the
power-on to "ready to work" time.  Actual time *IN* MLS didn't seem to
improve.  While more memory would make the user feel better, it didn't sound
like it would really improve productivity.  (He did say switching between
apps was faster, so if your work style is to bounce between apps, then more
memory would be useful.)

Personally, I like the idea of a Christmas wish list.  That way the budget
would be spent on memory only if there wasn't something more important.
While Christmas is a long ways away, I like the spirit of prioritizing that
went behind it.

(By the way, has anyone played with the Symantec settings to see if
excluding certain MLS data files could improve responsiveness?)  


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From clerk.crescent at gmail.com  Mon Apr  2 15:35:44 2007
From: clerk.crescent at gmail.com (Alan Brown)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:35:44 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Re: Adding RAM to administrative computers
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On 4/2/07, Tom Walker <tlwalker at nethere.com> wrote:
> Perhaps 1 gig is overkill. But I think 512 is not enough. Perhaps 750 is
> the sweet spot.
> I put 2 512's in mine for a total of 1256 Meg just to make sure the Java
> CUP cycle HOG desktop 5.5 works the best it can. Which apparently from
> current posts is "LOUSY"    :-(  :-(

I have only a total of 512M in all the machines in my stake, which
have fairly modest 2 GHz Celeron CPUs. Although they are not lightning
fast, the performance is certainly adequate. I only get complaints
about the slowness of the dial-up connection. Even the stake computer,
with its much larger MLS database, is not too bad.

I know performance is affected by many factors, and it is to a large
extent impacted by our natural comparisons with other systems we use
(I remember how the first Intel 80268 I saw could do operations almost
instantaneously, compared with the 8088s I was used to), but I'm not
seeing any significant performance problems with Desktop 5.5 running
on my Celerons with 512M RAM.

> And I thought the programmers for the FHC stuff were Incompetent
> Boobs!!  :-(

I certainly appreciated Elder Holland's conference talk and I'm
trying, as imperfect as I am, to take it to heart. It would probably
be good for all of us to review it.

Alan Brown
Assistant Stake Clerk
Sandy Utah Crescent Stake

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From Dale.Sneddon at schreiberfoods.com  Mon Apr  2 16:17:15 2007
From: Dale.Sneddon at schreiberfoods.com (Dale Sneddon)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:17:15 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Re: Adding RAM to administrative computers
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On 4/2/07, Tom Walker <tlwalker at nethere.com> wrote:
> Perhaps 1 gig is overkill. But I think 512 is not enough. Perhaps 750
is
> the sweet spot.
> I put 2 512's in mine for a total of 1256 Meg just to make sure the
Java
> CUP cycle HOG desktop 5.5 works the best it can. Which apparently from
> current posts is "LOUSY"    :-(  :-(

I have only a total of 512M in all the machines in my stake, which
have fairly modest 2 GHz Celeron CPUs. Although they are not lightning
fast, the performance is certainly adequate. I only get complaints
about the slowness of the dial-up connection. Even the stake computer,
with its much larger MLS database, is not too bad.

I know performance is affected by many factors, and it is to a large
extent impacted by our natural comparisons with other systems we use
(I remember how the first Intel 80268 I saw could do operations almost
instantaneously, compared with the 8088s I was used to), but I'm not
seeing any significant performance problems with Desktop 5.5 running
on my Celerons with 512M RAM.

> And I thought the programmers for the FHC stuff were Incompetent
> Boobs!!  :-(

I certainly appreciated Elder Holland's conference talk and I'm
trying, as imperfect as I am, to take it to heart. It would probably
be good for all of us to review it.

Alan Brown
Assistant Stake Clerk
Sandy Utah Crescent Stake

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From wa7jos at xmission.com  Mon Apr  2 23:13:10 2007
From: wa7jos at xmission.com (Chuck Johnson)
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 00:13:10 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Adding RAM to administrative computers
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References: <20070401.202556.1428.0.lajackson@juno.com> <7378de6f0704020821g7141d196r1d63e6238dcbcbfa@mail.gmail.com> <003301c77565$2832c0f0$6401a8c0@cciclass4>
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RussellHltn wrote:
> | On March 15, Chuck Johnson posted a message that showed specific timing results for an upgrade from 256M to 512M. That message showed speeds that averaged about twice as fast after the upgrade. 
>
> Yes he did.  But the thing I noticed is that the major improvement was the
> power-on to "ready to work" time.  Actual time *IN* MLS didn't seem to
> improve.  While more memory would make the user feel better, it didn't sound
> like it would really improve productivity.  (He did say switching between
> apps was faster, so if your work style is to bounce between apps, then more
> memory would be useful.)

My ears are burning, being quoted several times today.

You are absolutely correct.  Additional RAM did nothing to speed up MLS 
itself EXCEPT for Stake MLS.  The improvements came in boot time, close 
time, task swapping time, and shutdown time.  With less RAM, Stake MLS 
would often get "stuck" for lengthy periods of unresponsiveness, and 
that was before LanDesk. 

I upgraded the Stake machine with 2 new 256MB sticks, and moved the old 
128MB sticks to a ward machine to boost it to 512MB.  The jury is still 
out on whether it's worth the expense.  At the Stake, I'd say YES; 
wards, maybe.

Chuck Johnson


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From jwtaber at juno.com  Wed Apr  4 08:37:45 2007
From: jwtaber at juno.com (John Taber)
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:37:45 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Satellite Directional Link
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My stake clerk has been using www.flashearth.com for a satellite directional link.  Does anyone know if there's something more current out there?
John Taber
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Wilmington Delaware Stake


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From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Thu Apr  5 11:22:29 2007
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard Pyne)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:22:29 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Church Logo
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Does anyone have a good quality digital copy of the Church logo?

--Richard


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From mcmullen at us.net  Thu Apr  5 20:59:35 2007
From: mcmullen at us.net (McMullen Family)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:59:35 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Church Logo
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Richard : What use do you intend to make of the logo? Be aware that 
there is a Church policy on using the logo on things like the Sunday 
programs. Unfortunately the letter came out several years ago, and I 
can't lay my hands on a copy today. Maybe someone else on the list can 
be more specific.

Ross McMullen
Wendell, NC

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From rpyne at kinfolk.org  Thu Apr  5 21:29:49 2007
From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard Pyne)
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:29:49 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Church Logo
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I am very well aware of the policy regarding use of the logo as stated on 
pp. 174-5 of the CHI. I was asked by a member of the stake presidency if I 
could find a good digital copy of the logo.

On 5 Apr 2007 at 21:59, McMullen Family wrote:

> Richard : What use do you intend to make of the logo? Be aware that 
> there is a Church policy on using the logo on things like the Sunday 
> programs. Unfortunately the letter came out several years ago, and I 
> can't lay my hands on a copy today. Maybe someone else on the list can be
> more specific.



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From lajackson at juno.com  Thu Apr  5 23:02:40 2007
From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:02:40 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Church Logo
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Richard Pyne:

I was asked by a member of the stake presidency if I 
could find a good digital copy of the logo.

_______________

There is an official publication with copies of the logo in it in 
varying sizes that could easily be scanned.  That is, if you 
had a copy of it.  I don't, sorry.

Larry Jackson



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From clerk.crescent at gmail.com  Fri Apr  6 09:06:38 2007
From: clerk.crescent at gmail.com (Alan Brown)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:06:38 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Church Logo
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On 4/5/07, Richard Pyne <rpyne at kinfolk.org> wrote:
> I am very well aware of the policy regarding use of the logo as stated on
> pp. 174-5 of the CHI. I was asked by a member of the stake presidency if I
> could find a good digital copy of the logo.

There is a logo included with the MLS program files. I can't point you
to it exactly from memory, but it's in a subfolder of MLS (under
C:\Program Files\LDS Church\MLS). It's a JPEG, as I recall, that is
used for the printed reports. I'm sure you can find it. It's not super
high quality, but good enough for the MLS reports, so as long as you
are using it in a reasonably small size it should be adequate.

Alan Brown
Assistant Stake Clerk
Sandy Utah Crescent Stake.

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From price_dc at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  6 09:29:43 2007
From: price_dc at hotmail.com (David Price)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 10:29:43 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Church Logo
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Richard --
   An easy way to get a good digital copy of anything is find it in 
a PDF file, then make the image as large as possible on your 
computer monitor, and then use the PDF image capture feature to 
select it. It is copied by this process. Then you need to paste it 
in another program. If you paste it in the right programs, you can 
then export the logo in an image file format (jpg, tif, bmp, etc.).
   I've used this technique many times, most recently to capture the 
church's travel permission slip for youth. Our multiple generation 
photocopy we had been using was nearly unreadable, and now we have 
an original that won't blur by photocopying. 
   Side rant: I wish there were someplace on the church website 
where we could get PDFs of church forms. Anybody know of some place 
like that?
Dave Price
Mt. Pleasant IA


> Richard Pyne:
> I was asked by a member of the stake presidency if I 
> could find a good digital copy of the logo.




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From Chris.Padilla at Avnet.com  Fri Apr  6 10:53:12 2007
From: Chris.Padilla at Avnet.com (Padilla, Chris)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 11:53:12 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Church Logo
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References: <4614CDE5.17585.B4AC22@rpyne.kinfolk.org> <fa8953a9890502f86a23242f3bfc8261@us.net> <46155C3D.14756.57E17F@rpyne.kinfolk.org> <7378de6f0704060706g4733bdf4yd9f6c523c8212d36@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, in the ..\lib\templates\en, it's named print_church_logo.gif.

cp
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On 4/5/07, Richard Pyne <rpyne at kinfolk.org> wrote:
> I am very well aware of the policy regarding use of the logo as stated

> on pp. 174-5 of the CHI. I was asked by a member of the stake 
> presidency if I could find a good digital copy of the logo.

There is a logo included with the MLS program files. I can't point you
to it exactly from memory, but it's in a subfolder of MLS (under
C:\Program Files\LDS Church\MLS). It's a JPEG, as I recall, that is used
for the printed reports. I'm sure you can find it. It's not super high
quality, but good enough for the MLS reports, so as long as you are
using it in a reasonably small size it should be adequate.

Alan Brown
Assistant Stake Clerk
Sandy Utah Crescent Stake.

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From cwha at ldskc.org  Fri Apr  6 11:56:22 2007
From: cwha at ldskc.org (Chuck Anderson)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:56:22 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Church Logo
In-Reply-To: <20070405.230307.1996.0.lajackson@juno.com>
References: <20070405.230307.1996.0.lajackson@juno.com>
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I once talked to a "Church Logo" person in SLC who sent me the logo  
JPG file via email.
He was David Vandeveer at 800-453-3860, ext. 22925.

Chuck Anderson
cwha at ldskc.org



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> had a copy of it.  I don't, sorry.
>
> Larry Jackson
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From cwha at ldskc.org  Fri Apr  6 12:14:40 2007
From: cwha at ldskc.org (Chuck Anderson)
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:14:40 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Church Logo
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References: <ev5lgn+1uhe@eGroups.com>
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If you go to www.ldscatalog.com and "Logon" with a Ward or Stake Unit  
# and password (which was mailed to your Stake President or Bishop  
upon his request), then there are several items available which are  
not visible to the average person on the Distribution Center website,  
including "some" forms -- not all by any means.

Chuck Anderson
cwha at ldskc.org



On Apr 6, 2007, at 9:29 AM, David Price wrote:

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> Richard --
>    An easy way to get a good digital copy of anything is find it in
> a PDF file, then make the image as large as possible on your
> computer monitor, and then use the PDF image capture feature to
> select it. It is copied by this process. Then you need to paste it
> in another program. If you paste it in the right programs, you can
> then export the logo in an image file format (jpg, tif, bmp, etc.).
>    I've used this technique many times, most recently to capture the
> church's travel permission slip for youth. Our multiple generation
> photocopy we had been using was nearly unreadable, and now we have
> an original that won't blur by photocopying.
>    Side rant: I wish there were someplace on the church website
> where we could get PDFs of church forms. Anybody know of some place
> like that?
> Dave Price
> Mt. Pleasant IA
>
>
>> Richard Pyne:
>> I was asked by a member of the stake presidency if I
>> could find a good digital copy of the logo.
>
>
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From clerk at m2safford.net  Sun Apr  8 09:14:37 2007
From: clerk at m2safford.net (Stake Clerk)
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 10:14:37 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Membership Audits
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Just passing on an MLS Tip of the Week.  It looks like they are finally
going to provide some membership audit forms that match MLS. . .



To: Stake and District President and Clerks
Subject:  Tip of the Week, 2007 Membership Audit


1.  The 'Audits of Membership Records' process as described in the Church
Handbook of Instructions (pg. 148) has been modified for the year 2007.
Because the new audit materials have not yet been released, and the old
membership audit form is obsolete, wards/branches are asked to resolve the
issues on the Membership Validation Report in MLS for this year's membership
audit.
  
Please ensure that the ward/branch Validation Report issues are resolved by
June 30th.  Stake presidents and clerks should review this message in
advance of the audit and discuss the results after its completion. Church
headquarters does not need notification. 


2. MEMBERSHIP VALIDATION REPORT   (Found only in the ward/branch MLS)

Go to:  Membership Records | More, View and Update | Membership Validation
Report.  

A. This report lists errors and warnings found in the membership records
assigned to your unit. Make corrections to these errors and warnings as soon
as possible. 

To correct errors or warnings: 
	1. Click the name of the person whose record has an error or
warning. 
	2. Correct the error or warning information on the member record. 
	3. When finished making corrections, click on Close. 

B. If the person referred to in the warning or error is not a current member
of your unit, you may simply click 'Ignore'. 

C. For 'errors' due to an ordinance that was performed before the
appropriate age, follow the procedures on pg. 31 of the Church Handbook of
Instructions, 'Ordinances That Were Performed before the Appropriate Age'.
 
D. If there is no way to fix the error or respond to the warning, you may
click 'Ignore' at the end of the line. However, all attempts to correct the
problem should be made before resorting to this.


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From Steve.Neeland at ingrambook.com  Sun Apr  8 14:11:17 2007
From: Steve.Neeland at ingrambook.com (Neeland, Steve)
Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2007 15:11:17 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Church Logo
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Bro. Vandeveer is the right guy.  I called them and he sent me a .tif
file and usage policy.

Steve


 

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Subject: Re: LDSC: Re: Church Logo


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I once talked to a "Church Logo" person in SLC who sent me the logo  
JPG file via email.
He was David Vandeveer at 800-453-3860, ext. 22925.

Chuck Anderson
cwha at ldskc.org



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> Richard Pyne:
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> I was asked by a member of the stake presidency if I
> could find a good digital copy of the logo.
>
> _______________
>
> There is an official publication with copies of the logo in it in
> varying sizes that could easily be scanned.  That is, if you
> had a copy of it.  I don't, sorry.
>
> Larry Jackson
>
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From ldsskier at rusticate.net  Sun Apr 15 07:03:27 2007
From: ldsskier at rusticate.net (Skier)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 08:03:27 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Spoon-feeding FM
Message-ID: <4622148F.8050004@rusticate.net>


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I have to spoon-feed the local FM people every step of the way.  Now 
that I'm ready to place a few of the wards on broadband MLS updates what 
are the exact, magic words I need to utter to FM to get the necessary 
equipment?

Exact model #s, budget categories and so forth will be appreciated.


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From russellhltn at gmail.com  Sun Apr 15 13:56:27 2007
From: russellhltn at gmail.com (RussellHltn)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 14:56:27 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Spoon-feeding FM
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Do you have an existing broadband network in the building?  (FHC, Institute,
FM Office or other church Employees' office?)  If so, then you have a
chance.  If not, forget it.  MLS is not a sufficient reason to install
broadband.  That was the last word from CHQ.
 

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Subject: LDSC: Spoon-feeding FM


I have to spoon-feed the local FM people every step of the way.  Now that
I'm ready to place a few of the wards on broadband MLS updates what are the
exact, magic words I need to utter to FM to get the necessary equipment?

Exact model #s, budget categories and so forth will be appreciated.




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From ldsskier at rusticate.net  Sun Apr 15 18:10:00 2007
From: ldsskier at rusticate.net (Skier)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:10:00 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Spoon-feeding FM
In-Reply-To: <001e01c77f8f$c6c37e60$6401a8c0@cciclass4>
References: <4622148F.8050004@rusticate.net> <001e01c77f8f$c6c37e60$6401a8c0@cciclass4>
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RussellHltn wrote:

> Do you have an existing broadband network in the building?  (FHC,
> Institute, FM Office or other church Employees' office?)  If so, then
> you have a chance.

Yes - two of the ward buildings (two wards each) and one in one of the 
branches.  (Did you know that there is not a SINGLE ward in the entire 
city of Detroit?  Not one.)


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From clerk at m2safford.net  Sun Apr 15 19:04:47 2007
From: clerk at m2safford.net (Stake Clerk)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:04:47 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Optiplex 740 Questions
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Hi,

I have three questions, all related to moving MLS to a newer computer:

1.)  I remember some of you alluding to a way to move the "password" or
security key file over to the new computer without having to call Salt Lake.
If someone could email me off-list which file that is I would appreciate it.

2.)  Has anyone successfully reimaged an Optiplex 740 with Desktop 5.5?  I
know we were told officially not to do it, but I thought I read some post a
couple of weeks ago from someone that made it work. . .

3.)  I'm also told that Command Antivirus is out and Norton/Symantic is in.
If so, where does a guy go to download Norton, and is there a Church-issued
username and password to get the download, and/or the updates?

Thanks!


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From lajackson at juno.com  Sun Apr 15 19:09:24 2007
From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:09:24 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Spoon-feeding FM
Message-ID: <20070415.191754.2928.1.lajackson@juno.com>


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Skier:

I have to spoon-feed the local FM people every step of the way.  

_______________

You have another computer that needs to be added to the 
FHC network.  Please provide the wiring or wireless card, 
and the appropriate software.

FM is on the hook (but perhaps not actually capable) to add 
any needed wiring.  You may be on your own to add a wireless 
card if there will be no wiring.

I believe someone posted earlier here that Global Support 
provided the software?  Or was is snagged from an FHC box?

Larry Jackson



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From lajackson at juno.com  Sun Apr 15 19:15:28 2007
From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:15:28 -0400
Subject: LDSC: MLS Logins Disappear
Message-ID: <20070415.191754.2928.2.lajackson@juno.com>


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We have discussed this before.  I have a unit where all the logins 
went away through what appears to have been normal use.

One backwards roll of the backup files provides all of the logins 
again, but none of the passwords work.  The second backwards 
roll of the backup files provides full functionality, but loses all of 
the work that was done during the last two logins, rather than just 
one of them.

This unit, one of the worst performers in the backup category, 
just happened to have a current backup from their last deposit, 
so we rolled back twice, restored the data from the backup, and 
put them back in business in about 15 minutes.

Question:

Has SL figured out what the problem is yet?

Or do we just expect this to unhappily occur from time to time?  
This has happened two times now in our stake.  I have not been 
able to determine that either unit did anything unusual that may 
have caused the problem.  The branch, who knows.  They may 
have pulled the plug one time too many.  But the ward has a 
stellar record of not rocking the boat and nearly flawless MLS 
performance.  Go figure.

Larry Jackson



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From ldsskier at rusticate.net  Sun Apr 15 19:19:16 2007
From: ldsskier at rusticate.net (Skier)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:19:16 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Two systems locked up today
Message-ID: <4622C104.4000607@rusticate.net>


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Two machines - both recently updated with the new desktop image - 
experienced the same problem of locking up during an MLS backup to 
floppy.  Both machines required the MLS application killed and a system 
restart which corrected the problem.

Coincidence?  Fairly unlikely...

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From lajackson at juno.com  Sun Apr 15 19:24:04 2007
From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:24:04 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Optiplex 740 Questions
Message-ID: <20070415.193137.2928.6.lajackson@juno.com>


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Stake Clerk <clerk at m2safford.net>:

1.)  If someone could email me off-list which file that is . . .

2.)  Has anyone successfully reimaged an Optiplex 740 with Desktop 5.5?

3.)  I'm also told that Command Antivirus is out and Norton/Symantic is
in.

_______________

1.)  Separate e-mail.

2.)  I have not heard that anyone here made it work.  The last post I saw

someone tried, but it did not work, and when the called SL they were told

to wait until SL gets a new image disk set ready for the 740.

3.)  Norton/Symantic comes with the image disk set when you reimage 
your computer(s).  The site to get the latest definitions is not
passworded.  
I would just leave out-of-date CAV in place until SL gets it together. 
The 
only other way would be for the help desk to tell you how to get
Symantec, 
and I think that would require passwords.  And it would not be configured

the way SL would want it, etc., etc., etc.

Larry Jackson



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From lajackson at juno.com  Sun Apr 15 19:30:58 2007
From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:30:58 -0400
Subject: LDSC: MLS Automatic Network Connection
Message-ID: <20070415.193137.2928.8.lajackson@juno.com>


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I have a machine with the new image and Desktop 5.5 loaded that
now tries to connect to the internet and login to the MCI servers
every time MLS is started.  No Send/Receive required.  The box
pops up and asks if I wish to make the connection.

I have instructed the clerks to cancel the action every time until
further notice.

Has anyone else had this problem?

Larry Jackson



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From lajackson at juno.com  Sun Apr 15 19:38:15 2007
From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:38:15 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Two systems locked up today
Message-ID: <20070415.193820.2928.9.lajackson@juno.com>


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Skier:

. . . locking up during an MLS backup to floppy.  

_______________

We do not have any machines that still backup to floppy.  The 
backup is unreliable, MLS is not able to recover from an error, 
and in some cases, a floppy is no longer large enough to hold 
a backup.

Most of our units backup to the C:\ drive with every use and to 
a flash drive after every financial session.

Larry Jackson



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From wa7jos at xmission.com  Sun Apr 15 20:12:11 2007
From: wa7jos at xmission.com (Chuck Johnson)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:12:11 -0400
Subject: LDSC: MLS Logins Disappear
In-Reply-To: <20070415.191754.2928.2.lajackson@juno.com>
References: <20070415.191754.2928.2.lajackson@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4622CD6B.6040809@xmission.com>


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Larry Jackson wrote:
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>
> We have discussed this before.  I have a unit where all the logins 
> went away through what appears to have been normal use.
>
>
> Question:
>
> Has SL figured out what the problem is yet?
>
> Or do we just expect this to unhappily occur from time to time?  
> This has happened two times now in our stake.  I have not been 
> able to determine that either unit did anything unusual that may 
> have caused the problem.  

I have only had to deal with this once, and as I recall, the cause was 
traced to turning the computer off too soon after shutdown.  Whatever 
MLS is doing during this period, it must rewrite this file last.  
Sometimes the computer appears to "hang", although it will usually 
complete eventually (longer than normal people are willing to wait).  I 
make sure never to turn off the power strip until the CPU turns itself 
off following the shutdown command.

Chuck Johnson


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From lajackson at juno.com  Sun Apr 15 21:51:04 2007
From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:51:04 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: MLS Logins Disappear
Message-ID: <20070415.215107.1924.3.lajackson@juno.com>


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Chuck Johnson:

. . . as I recall, the cause was traced to turning the computer off 
too soon after shutdown.

_______________

This is a good clue.  Thanks.  Both units experienced power 
failures the day MLS was used prior to the time of their lost logins.

I will try to find out if MLS was still running at the time.  I suspect 
it would have been.

Larry Jackson



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From wa7jos at xmission.com  Sun Apr 15 23:28:54 2007
From: wa7jos at xmission.com (Chuck Johnson)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:28:54 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: MLS Logins Disappear
In-Reply-To: <20070415.215107.1924.3.lajackson@juno.com>
References: <20070415.215107.1924.3.lajackson@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4622FB86.2080506@xmission.com>


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Larry Jackson wrote:
> This is a good clue.  Thanks.  Both units experienced power 
> failures the day MLS was used prior to the time of their lost logins.
Sounds like it's time to watch for a good deal on a UPS.

Chuck Johnson


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From bertandjessie at bellsouth.net  Mon Apr 16 08:39:32 2007
From: bertandjessie at bellsouth.net (jessiehearle)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:39:32 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Optiplex 740 Questions
Message-ID: <evvuak+rtt2@eGroups.com>


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--- In ldsclerks at yahoogroups.com, "Stake Clerk" <clerk at ...> wrote:
> I have three questions, all related to moving MLS to a newer
computer:
> 2.)  Has anyone successfully reimaged an Optiplex 740 with Desktop
5.5?  I  know we were told officially not to do it, but I thought I
read some post a couple of weeks ago from someone that made it
work. . .
>
> 3.)  I'm also told that Command Antivirus is out and
Norton/Symantic is in.
> If so, where does a guy go to download Norton, and is there a
Church-issued
> username and password to get the download, and/or the updates?

We found the new security software download, and instructions for
Symantec updates totally by accident, on the day we were driving 2
hrs to install a Dell 740:)

It would be nice if SL would send a heads-up when new files become
available.
An MLS  message would be great, since no matter where we are, we
normally have a change to transmit MLS at least once every week.



Go to the MLS webpage.  Instructions with the Desktop 5.5 CD's

Member and Leader Services
downloads
MLS 2.4.3_02 (58.7M) (Updated 25 October 2006)
Local Unit Security Software (Updated 29 March 2007)
Additional Local Unit Software (Updated 29 March 2007)

from the Local Unit Security Software Link you can download

Local Unit Security Suite Installer (60.7M) (Updated 6 March 2007)
&
 Symantec Antivirus Definition Update   (view instructions) (to be
installed on local unit computer at least quarterly)


Additional Local Unit Software
Below are links for additional software for local unit computers.

Record-Keeping and Auditing Training
Adobe Reader
Adobe Flash Player
Adobe Shockwave Player
CutePDF? Writer
OpenOffice
Photo image editing tools Picasa?   PhotoFiltre
The Scriptures (CD-ROM Edition)
Dell 740 Drivers for Local Unit Desktop 5.5   (view instructions)

Please be aware that the Adobe Reader download takes you to the Adobe
site--you can no longer download to removeable media from that site,
We have been using the old MLS install CD to install Acrobat Reader,
Scriptures, etc.

Have Fun!

Bert & Jessie Hearle
Bessemer Alabama Stake



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From bill at WWoodford.com  Mon Apr 16 15:51:53 2007
From: bill at WWoodford.com (William Woodford)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 16:51:53 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Adobe Acrobat 8 Full Download
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For those who are interested you can download the full Adobe Acrobat Reader
(20.8 MB) from the following url

http://ardownload.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/win/8.x/8.0/enu/sgc10_rdr80_DLM
_en_US.exe

This file does not require an active internet connection to install.

William Woodford
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Fayetteville North Carolina West Stake

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Please be aware that the Adobe Reader download takes you to the Adobe
site--you can no longer download to removeable media from that site, We have
been using the old MLS install CD to install Acrobat Reader, Scriptures,
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From russellhltn at gmail.com  Mon Apr 16 18:14:29 2007
From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:14:29 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Adobe Acrobat 8 Full Download
In-Reply-To: <008701c78069$11211290$0201a8c0@AMD4000>
References: <evvuak+rtt2@eGroups.com> <008701c78069$11211290$0201a8c0@AMD4000>
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Uh, the link is to a 523K file.  I assume you have to run it (and be
attached to the internet) to download the full thing.


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>
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> For those who are interested you can download the full Adobe Acrobat Reader
> (20.8 MB) from the following url
>
> http://ardownload.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/win/8.x/8.0/enu/sgc10_rdr80_DLM
> _en_US.exe
>
> This file does not require an active internet connection to install.
>
> William Woodford
> Stake Clerk
> Fayetteville North Carolina West Stake
>
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From russellhltn at gmail.com  Tue Apr 17 03:02:37 2007
From: russellhltn at gmail.com (RussellHltn)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:02:37 -0400
Subject: LDSC: MLS Automatic Network Connection
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Might check any added software to see if it looks for updates.  (These days,
what doesn't?)  Also might check the "MLS" dial-up networking to see if
there's an option to have it open when something asks for an Internet
connection.
 

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I have a machine with the new image and Desktop 5.5 loaded that now tries to
connect to the internet and login to the MCI servers every time MLS is
started.  No Send/Receive required.  The box pops up and asks if I wish to
make the connection.

I have instructed the clerks to cancel the action every time until further
notice.

Has anyone else had this problem?

Larry Jackson




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From drepouille at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 17 22:13:36 2007
From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:13:36 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Spoon-feeding FM
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FM only needs to get involved if your plans require significant
modifications to the building, such as drilling holes through walls and
pulling cable runs. If the FM is asked to spend a lot of money, he will
probably defer the work to the next fiscal year, so he can budget it and
rack-and-stack it with his other requirements.

The stake must pay for parts and supplies, such as patch cables, wireless
adapters, UPS, etc.

If you have a building that already has a FHC and a Cisco Pix, but NOT a
Cisco Aironet 1200 wireless access point, you must contact Donna Miller and
request one. My stake has five FHCs, but only three of them had Aironets
installed. Donna Miller sent two new Aironets to my FM group. 

Since none of my FHCs were actually using wireless capability, I was able to
scrounge a few wireless adapters that came packaged with the newer computers
that have been shipped to the FHCs over the past two years. I used all I
could find to connect administrative computers to the Aironets.

I think the Aironet will talk to either 802.11b or 802.11g adapters, I
purchased three Linksys Wireless-G USB adapters for the three administrative
computers in the stake center. The stake is reimbursing me, and is asking
the two wards in the stake center to reimburse the stake. I don't know which
budget category the clerks will use for these $50 adapters.

I'm tired. I just drove from Dayton to Omaha. I'm going to bed now.

Dana

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I have to spoon-feed the local FM people every step of the way.  Now that
I'm ready to place a few of the wards on broadband MLS updates what are the
exact, magic words I need to utter to FM to get the necessary equipment?

Exact model #s, budget categories and so forth will be appreciated.


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From nacc7 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 18 11:17:05 2007
From: nacc7 at yahoo.com (Mark Adams)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 12:17:05 -0400
Subject: LDSC: MLS Automatic Network Connection
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If you start MLS and it is waiting for someone to log
in and no one logs in, then the dialing dialog box
will show up. 


> Subject: LDSC: MLS Automatic Network Connection
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I have a machine with the new image and Desktop 5.5
> loaded that now tries to
> connect to the internet and login to the MCI servers
> every time MLS is
> started.  No Send/Receive required.  The box pops up
> and asks if I wish to
> make the connection.
> 
> I have instructed the clerks to cancel the action
> every time until further
> notice.
> 
> Has anyone else had this problem?
> 
> Larry Jackson
> 
> 
> 
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From lajackson at juno.com  Wed Apr 18 17:49:11 2007
From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:49:11 -0400
Subject: LDSC: MLS Automatic Network Connection
Message-ID: <20070418.175345.272.0.lajackson@juno.com>


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Mark Adams,

If you start MLS and it is waiting for someone to log in and 
no one logs in, then the dialing dialog box will show up.

_______________

When I queried the help desk, they had not seen this problem 
before.  They are intrigued.  It should not be happening.  They 
asked me to try and figure out why this was happening without 
an express click on the Send/Receive link in MLS.

If anyone else has seen this problem, please speak up.

If you have any ideas what is happening, also please share.

I was told to look for other programs that might be trying to 
access the network that might be finding the MLS connectoid 
as a potential path to the internet.  I was told that MLS should 
not be trying to connect on its own.

I suspect that there is something in the desktop setup that is 
doing it, and I wish SL would figure it out for me, but they, as 
usual, have asked me to solve my own problem.

Let's share.

Larry Jackson



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From russellhltn at gmail.com  Wed Apr 18 19:10:19 2007
From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:10:19 -0400
Subject: LDSC: MLS Automatic Network Connection
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> I suspect that there is something in the desktop setup that is
> doing it, and I wish SL would figure it out for me, but they, as
> usual, have asked me to solve my own problem.
>
> Let's share.
>


Lets!

First of all, have you changed anything from the original Desktop CDs?
 Updated programs?  Changed settings?  Because unless someone else
reports the something, it's probably unique to your install.

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From clerk at m2safford.net  Wed Apr 18 20:53:37 2007
From: clerk at m2safford.net (Stake Clerk)
Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:53:37 -0400
Subject: LDSC: RE: Optiplex 740 Questions
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The short answer to my original question below is, the Norton/Symantec
antivirus package is available from the same place that MLS is, using the
same username and password.  It is a whopping 60 MB, took me about 10
minutes to download. . .

Downloading Symantec directly is not the preferred option, but is suggested
for those of us with the new(er) Optiplex 740 machines, which don't handle
Desktop 5.5.

The source for the above was a telephone call with the help desk this
evening.





3.)  I'm also told that Command Antivirus is out and Norton/Symantic is in.
If so, where does a guy go to download Norton, and is there a Church-issued
username and password to get the download, and/or the updates?

Thanks!


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From rwood90 at clearwire.net  Wed Apr 18 23:22:02 2007
From: rwood90 at clearwire.net (w5aj90)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:22:02 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Who signs FO checks?
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In CHI Book 1 it states two authorized signers sign the checks.
We thought / assumed? that in the past a letter had come out stating
that the Bishop was one of the signers on a FO check.
Yes the bishop must approve the request and then sign the check summary
printed from MLS (known)clearly stated in CHI & training.
For the CHI quoters - we know this.
Was there direction in the past/today that a Bishop must sign FO checks?
RW

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From lajackson at juno.com  Wed Apr 18 23:40:22 2007
From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:40:22 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: MLS Automatic Network Connection
Message-ID: <20070418.234130.652.1.lajackson@juno.com>


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Russell Houlton:

> First of all, have you changed anything from the original Desktop CDs?

No changes.  And the same thing has been seen by Mark Adams:

> If you start MLS and it is waiting for someone to log in and 
> no one logs in, then the dialing dialog box will show up.

That is exactly what is happening to us, but I only have one 
computer to test it on so far -- the stake machine.

Larry Jackson



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From embunker817 at msn.com  Thu Apr 19 08:30:39 2007
From: embunker817 at msn.com (Eric Bunker)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:30:39 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Who signs FO checks?
References: <f06qpa+lmbh@eGroups.com>
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The current CHI supercedes all such former policy letter.  I have not seen it specify that a bishop much sign any checks.  In our stake, the bishop must sign all check request forms prior to the check being written, but there is no requirement for him to sign any checks.

Eric 

Clerk
Queen Creek Arizona Stake
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  In CHI Book 1 it states two authorized signers sign the checks
  We thought / assumed? that in the past a letter had come out stating
  that the Bishop was one of the signers on a FO check.
  Yes the bishop must approve the request and then sign the check summary
  printed from MLS (known)clearly stated in CHI & training.
  For the CHI quoters - we know this.
  Was there direction in the past/today that a Bishop must sign FO checks?
  RW



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From jeffp at jeffszone.com  Thu Apr 19 10:25:36 2007
From: jeffp at jeffszone.com (Jeff Phillips)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:25:36 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Who signs FO checks?
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Is your stake's practice limited only to fast offering checks, or do
you require him to sign the check request forms even for
reimbursements? What if the bishop himself is frequently out of town
on business trips as is ours? The way I personally see it, the bishop
has already delegated a budget allocation to individual organization
presidents. If the organization president signs the check request
form, and a BP counselor signs it also, then I don't see a problem
with the reimbursement checks being cut in his absence. The BP still
will sign the expense detail report the following week or whenever he
has returned and has a chance to review what has taken place. Now, if
a organization has exceeded its budget then I would see it wise to
withhold cutting the check until the bishop decides on the matter, and
I would see it wise for him to review all the fast offering checks.

-Jeff


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> The current CHI supercedes all such former policy letter.  I have not seen it specify that a bishop much sign any checks.  In our stake, the bishop must sign all check request forms prior to the check being written, but there is no requirement for him to sign any checks.
>
> Eric
>
> Clerk
> Queen Creek Arizona Stake
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>   Subject: LDSC: Who signs FO checks?
>
>
>
>   In CHI Book 1 it states two authorized signers sign the checks
>   We thought / assumed? that in the past a letter had come out stating
>   that the Bishop was one of the signers on a FO check.
>   Yes the bishop must approve the request and then sign the check summary
>   printed from MLS (known)clearly stated in CHI & training.
>   For the CHI quoters - we know this.
>   Was there direction in the past/today that a Bishop must sign FO checks?
>   RW
>
>
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From tlwalker at nethere.com  Thu Apr 19 11:29:00 2007
From: tlwalker at nethere.com (Tom Walker)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:29:00 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Who signs FO checks?
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I don't have the reference but some years back we received a letter from 
Salt Lake stating that All FO checks must be signed by the Bishop, OR 
his Officially designated "stand in" when he is out of town..

Tom Walker

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> In CHI Book 1 it states two authorized signers sign the checks.
> We thought / assumed? that in the past a letter had come out stating
> that the Bishop was one of the signers on a FO check.
> Yes the bishop must approve the request and then sign the check summary
> printed from MLS (known)clearly stated in CHI & training.
> For the CHI quoters - we know this.
> Was there direction in the past/today that a Bishop must sign FO checks?
> RW
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From tlwalker at nethere.com  Thu Apr 19 11:32:21 2007
From: tlwalker at nethere.com (Tom Walker)
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:32:21 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Who signs FO checks?
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Actually that is not True as I recall. When we received the New 
handbooks it was accompanied by a listing of the policy letters that 
could be disposed of.

Tom Walker

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> The current CHI supercedes all such former policy letter.  I have not seen it specify that a bishop much sign any checks.  In our stake, the bishop must sign all check request forms prior to the check being written, but there is no requirement for him to sign any checks.
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> Eric 
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>   In CHI Book 1 it states two authorized signers sign the checks
>   We thought / assumed? that in the past a letter had come out stating
>   that the Bishop was one of the signers on a FO check.
>   Yes the bishop must approve the request and then sign the check summary
>   printed from MLS (known)clearly stated in CHI & training.
>   For the CHI quoters - we know this.
>   Was there direction in the past/today that a Bishop must sign FO checks?
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From adr at rossers.net  Fri Apr 20 08:21:53 2007
From: adr at rossers.net (Andrew R.)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:21:53 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Who signs FO checks?
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Whatever was said in the past doesn't matter. Current policy is all
that is required.

This Bishop need sign no cheque. But he must be able to show that he
has authorised *all* expenditure - FO and budget.

He does this, as has been stated, by signing the printout from MLS of
expenditure.

He doesn't have to have given permission prior to a cheque being
written, although for first instance FO this would be the case.

Andrew R.
Stake Audit Committee Member
Stake Technology Specialist
Past bishopric member and ward clerk


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> In CHI Book 1 it states two authorized signers sign the checks.
> We thought / assumed? that in the past a letter had come out stating
> that the Bishop was one of the signers on a FO check.
> Yes the bishop must approve the request and then sign the check
summary
> printed from MLS (known)clearly stated in CHI & training.
> For the CHI quoters - we know this.
> Was there direction in the past/today that a Bishop must sign FO
checks?
> RW
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From go4milk at aol.com  Fri Apr 20 08:48:48 2007
From: go4milk at aol.com (Big Al)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:48:48 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Who signs FO checks?
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Our stake wants
the bishop to sign all check requests.&nbsp; If he is unavailable a
bishopric member can sign, but when he is back he needs to countersign
those requests done in his absence.

Al


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From tlwalker at nethere.com  Fri Apr 20 11:43:30 2007
From: tlwalker at nethere.com (Tom Walker)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:43:30 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Who signs FO checks?
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Would hope that  is what ALL stakes require as that is the Exact 
Instructions in the bishops and Stake Presidents Handbook.
 And signing Signing of Fast Offering  Checks is says that the Two 
people signing must be listed on the Bank Signature Card on file. So so 
my origional assumption was wrong. Although My Bishop DOES sign ALL Fast 
Offering Checks. AND NO check is Printed until He, or if absent and it 
cannot wait his Stand in, Signs the Expense Request.
But then as they say, "MY Bishop, Right or Wrong". Although under the 
guidelines given by President Young "I have NO obligation to follow him 
into the Jaws of Hell". :-)  :-)
Actually he was talking about "Wives and Their Husbands" but the 
"Underlying Principle" is the Same!!

Tom Walker.

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From don_fairchild at byu.edu  Fri Apr 20 12:54:30 2007
From: don_fairchild at byu.edu (Don Fairchild)
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:54:30 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Who signs FO checks?
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One of the items on the Audit Checklist says, "All expenditures are
approved by the bishop."  I called the Church Audit Department for a
clarification on that item.  They said that it means what Big Al wrote:
> the bishop to sign all check requests. If he is unavailable a
> bishopric member can sign, but when he is back he needs to countersign
> those requests done in his absence.

In our stake, the president requires that the bishop must not only make
approve a fast offering expense, he must also sign the check unless he's
unavailable and it can't wait, then it falls to a counselor or the stake
president (if it goes that far).

Don Fairchild



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From webmaster at byondf1.com  Sun Apr 29 14:24:31 2007
From: webmaster at byondf1.com (Greg A. Anderson)
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:24:31 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Dell 740
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I just received a Dell 740. What are the steps to install this PC without
using the image CDs?


Thanx.

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Modesto California Stake
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From ldsskier at rusticate.net  Mon Apr 30 12:54:53 2007
From: ldsskier at rusticate.net (Skier)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:54:53 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Dell 740
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On Sun, April 29, 2007 3:24 pm, Greg A. Anderson wrote:

> I just received a Dell 740. What are the steps to install this PC without
> using the image CDs?

Did it come straight from Dell or was it restaged by local FM?  (I'm
waiting for two machines to be delivered myself and they haven't yet told
me what, exactly, is involved.)

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From webmaster at byondf1.com  Mon Apr 30 13:08:22 2007
From: webmaster at byondf1.com (Greg A. Anderson)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:08:22 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Dell 740
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It was from Dell, so all it had on it was Windows XP.

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On Sun, April 29, 2007 3:24 pm, Greg A. Anderson wrote:

> I just received a Dell 740. What are the steps to install this PC without
> using the image CDs?

Did it come straight from Dell or was it restaged by local FM?  (I'm
waiting for two machines to be delivered myself and they haven't yet told
me what, exactly, is involved.)

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From russellhltn at gmail.com  Mon Apr 30 13:52:12 2007
From: russellhltn at gmail.com (RussellHltn)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:52:12 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Dell 740
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http://www.lds.org/mls/installers/apps/Dell740InstructionsPage


If you go to mls.lds.org you can get a number of resources.  It used to be
that link only allowed you to download the latest MLS.  It's now a healthy
resource site.  The login instructions can be found in the older MLS upgrade
instructions or the original Desktop 5.5 instructions.
 

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I just received a Dell 740. What are the steps to install this PC without
using the image CDs?


Thanx.

Greg A. Anderson
Modesto California Stake
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From webmaster at byondf1.com  Mon Apr 30 14:09:27 2007
From: webmaster at byondf1.com (Greg A. Anderson)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:09:27 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Dell 740
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Thanx a ton. Just what I needed.

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http://www.lds.org/mls/installers/apps/Dell740InstructionsPage


If you go to mls.lds.org you can get a number of resources.  It used to be
that link only allowed you to download the latest MLS.  It's now a healthy
resource site.  The login instructions can be found in the older MLS upgrade
instructions or the original Desktop 5.5 instructions.
 

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I just received a Dell 740. What are the steps to install this PC without
using the image CDs?


Thanx.

Greg A. Anderson
Modesto California Stake
Stake Technologies Specialist

modstake at ldsirc.com


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