From james.carruth at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 07:41:01 2007 From: james.carruth at gmail.com (James Carruth) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:41:01 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Change of father in MLS after adoption Message-ID: <1ddf0bd20712050541yb6b5c5avf91820ff9ac951ba@mail.gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I have a family where the stepfather recently legally adopted the children and the biological father is out of the picture. They are listed in MLS with their biological father as their father, but when I did the name change in MLS it asked if I wanted to change the parents. Should MLS have the biological father or the adopted father? Thanks -- James Carruth My Family (http://www.thecarruths.org) Helping Little Haitian Kids (http://www.edehaiti.org) >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 11:38:28 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:38:28 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Change of father in MLS after adoption In-Reply-To: <1ddf0bd20712050541yb6b5c5avf91820ff9ac951ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <1ddf0bd20712050541yb6b5c5avf91820ff9ac951ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Off the top of my head, I think it would go with the legally adopted father, but I'd check the MLS help file first and then call SLC if it doesn't answer the question. On Dec 5, 2007 3:41 AM, James Carruth wrote: > > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > > I have a family where the stepfather recently legally adopted the children > and the biological father is out of the picture. They are listed in MLS > with their biological father as their father, but when I did the name change > in MLS it asked if I wanted to change the parents. Should MLS have the > biological father or the adopted father? Thanks > > -- > James Carruth > My Family (http://www.thecarruths.org) > Helping Little Haitian Kids (http://www.edehaiti.org) > > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From mark_werner at byu.edu Wed Dec 5 11:54:41 2007 From: mark_werner at byu.edu (Mark Werner) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:54:41 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Change of father in MLS after adoption In-Reply-To: References: <1ddf0bd20712050541yb6b5c5avf91820ff9ac951ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001901c83767$e9831420$bc893c60$@edu> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. MLS help says "Update the child's record by showing child and parent names as they should appear, according to the adoption documents." Mark Werner -----Original Message----- Off the top of my head, I think it would go with the legally adopted father, but I'd check the MLS help file first and then call SLC if it doesn't answer the question. On Dec 5, 2007 3:41 AM, James Carruth wrote: > > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > > I have a family where the stepfather recently legally adopted the children > and the biological father is out of the picture. They are listed in MLS > with their biological father as their father, but when I did the name change > in MLS it asked if I wanted to change the parents. Should MLS have the > biological father or the adopted father? Thanks > > -- > James Carruth > My Family (http://www.thecarruths.org) > Helping Little Haitian Kids (http://www.edehaiti.org) >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From ldsskier at rusticate.net Wed Dec 5 19:37:11 2007 From: ldsskier at rusticate.net (Skier) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:37:11 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Stake website documentation Message-ID: <47575247.8090505@rusticate.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Does anybody have the source for the documentation for stake/ward website administration (lds.org)? >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From bowerm at ix.netcom.com Wed Dec 5 20:23:03 2007 From: bowerm at ix.netcom.com (Michael Bower) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:23:03 -0500 Subject: LDSC: .ocx error In-Reply-To: <47575247.8090505@rusticate.net> References: <47575247.8090505@rusticate.net> Message-ID: <47575D07.6000901@ix.netcom.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Is anybody else getting an error on an outdated file richtx32.ocx? We are getting this error. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 20:51:15 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:51:15 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Stake website documentation In-Reply-To: <47575247.8090505@rusticate.net> References: <47575247.8090505@rusticate.net> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I'd suggest checking the help files on the site. Unlike some products, I think you'll find help is useful. On Dec 5, 2007 3:37 PM, Skier wrote: > > Does anybody have the source for the documentation for stake/ward > website administration (lds.org)? > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From abrasilnut at yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 12:02:56 2007 From: abrasilnut at yahoo.com (Rich) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:02:56 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Printed Copies Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. How long do you brethren keep the printed copies of changes made on MLS? We have been doing so for twelve months. I see the need to print members names, birthdates, and membership numbers on hand in the locked files for several years for future use. What about baptisms, ordinations, blessings, etc.? >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From combblai at isu.edu Fri Dec 7 10:09:07 2007 From: combblai at isu.edu (Blair Combs) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:09:07 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Printed Copies Message-ID: <47597023.5040001@isu.edu> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Rich, The directions are to destroy the paper documents once MLS has received confirmation of the update from CHQ. Updating forwarding addresses on the finance side of MLS can be helpful to distribute donation/tax documents to members who have moved out of the ward. I'm not sure why keeping a list of past members for years is important. It is certainly not part of church guidelines. Perhaps hanging on to a copy of the MR for the children of current ward members would have some merit but with the children listed on the MR of the parents along with their MRN, this may not be all that important as long as the parents have been reviewing the families MRs each year as part of tithing settlement to confirm accuracy. jmtcw, Blair Combs, Clerk Pocatello Highland 11th Ward >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From drepouille at hotmail.com Sat Dec 8 11:31:41 2007 From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:31:41 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Stake and Ward Web Sites Message-ID: <00a201c839c0$321ca020$0401a8c0@D2KFZ0D1> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I am preparing a new stake directory. I plan to include the following information in it: Stake and Ward Web Sites If you already have access to the Internet, please register for your stake and unit web site, as described below. Please do not feel that you must acquire Internet access if you do not already have it. All the information in this booklet can be found, always up to date, at the stake and ward web sites. How to register: 1. Get a copy of your "Individual Ordinance Summary" from your unit clerk. 2. Go to www.lds.org/units 3. Click on "Register or Sign In" 4. Click on "Obtain an account" 5. Fill out the form, which requires your membership record number and confirmation date, found on your "Individual Ordinance Summary." You will be asked to make up a user name and password. 6. Click on "Submit" when finished. How to sign in to your unit's web site: Once you have an account, go to one of the following sites: www.lds.org/units, https://secure.lds.org/units, or www.lds.org (About the Church). A few other points of Interest: * You will be taken automatically to your unit's web site whenever you sign in. This is determined by your membership records, so if you are taken to the wrong unit, your clerk needs to update your membership record. * You may go to your stake web site by clicking the Stake Home link on the left panel of your unit's home page. You can then access the stake calendar, stake leadership lists, and the directories of all the other units in the stake. * You can also access the Stake and Ward Web Sites by following the About the Church link on the www.lds.org home page. You can view the home page of any unit by following this link. Only members who have registered, as explained above, can view subsequent pages, and only for their own stake. This helps preserve privacy. * We suggest you get an account for each member of your family over 12. This allows you to list your family's E-mail addresses and change the way preferred names are listed in the directories. You can have automatic E-mails sent to your youth, for example, letting them know about youth events on the calendar. * Click Update Profile on the top of any page to input your E-mail address and make ether choices shout how end what your directory entries look like. * Clicking Membership Directory takes you to a directory of unit members. Information in the membership directory is taken from the membership database at Church headquarters. If there are errors, contact your unit clerk to make corrections. * From the Membership Directory, you can print your own directory using the Format for Printing link or the Abbreviated link. You may also use the "vcard" link to download the directory into your computer's Address Book. * Members can have all, part, or none of their information displayed on the Web site. The following directory information can be displayed or hidden: Home address, Phone number, E-mail address, Spouse's name, and Children's names. Contact your unit Web site administrator if you want any of your information removed from the Web site. * To contact your Web site administrator, click on Feedback in the upper-right portion of the screen. When the Feedback screen appears, the name of your unit or stake and the unit Web site administrator will be underlined. Click on the underlined words to bring up a window that displays your Web site administrator's name, E-mail address, home address, and phone number. Contact the Web site administrator the way that is most convenient. * Submit new calendar events or news items for consideration. If you are a leader; review the events listed on calendars and the leadership directories for accuracy, then submit changes or corrections. * Please note that creating a new calendar event does NOT reserve the meetinghouse for your activity. You must contact your local building scheduler. * You may print the calendar, or you may download it to your computer using the csv, iCal, and vCal links in the upper right corner of the calendar page. * Lesson Schedules allows you to view the Gospel Doctrine and Priesthood and Relief Society lessons for the calendar year. Click Lesson Schedules. Click Gospel Doctrine or Priesthood/Relief Society to view the schedule you want. Click on the title of the lesson to view the lesson materials on the Church Web site. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From embunker817 at msn.com Sun Dec 9 23:30:46 2007 From: embunker817 at msn.com (Eric Bunker) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:30:46 -0500 Subject: LDSC: buggs in MLS Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. On one of the ward machines, when the clerk created an abbreviated membership list and then created mailing labels from this list using the mailing label button, his labels came up with the current membership plus all of the ones that have moved out over the last few years minus their address. For those of you who are ward clerks, could you check this function on your MLS and see if this is also a problem for you. Let me know either way so I know that if this is a system bug or a one unit anomaly. Eric Clerk Queen Creek Arizona Stake >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From mark_werner at byu.edu Mon Dec 10 12:31:52 2007 From: mark_werner at byu.edu (Mark Werner) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:31:52 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Stake meetings In-Reply-To: References: <2007110912501978ca53e95a@carla.selu.edu> <4734C3F7.9060805@gmail.com> <003201c82333$bf4f2b00$3ded8100$@edu> <001501c82ff0$c8cb91e0$5a62b5a0$@edu> Message-ID: <001f01c83b5a$ef13d950$cd3b8bf0$@edu> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. -----Original Message----- On Nov 25, 2007 7:54 PM, Mark Werner wrote: > We have a huge > challenge with turnover. 43% of our members have moved into the stake in the > past 12 months, 19% in the past 3 months. The wards are in constant turmoil > and are never fully staffed. One of our wards had a problem like that. The Ward took in a area that had a lot of transients. Then during a stake re-organization, the ward boundaries were redrawn so the transient area was shared by two units with a stable population to create a mix. Just as a thought for anyone else out there planning new boundaries. ----- That's exactly why we redrew. A significant portion of our permanent members were bunched in one ward, while two wards had about 95% transient members. (In fact, what really precipitated the whole thing was that in one of those wards the bishop had already served seven years and there was no one to replace him.) Our current boundaries are rather unconventional, but they've resulted in a more-even mix of permanent and transient members among all the wards. The area originally covered by those two wards is now divided among six wards. Mark Werner >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From clerk.crescent at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 12:41:27 2007 From: clerk.crescent at gmail.com (Alan Brown) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:41:27 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Stake and Ward Web Sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7378de6f0712101041v17a9059dx2695151b5357b38c@mail.gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. On Dec 8, 2007 10:31 AM, Dana Repouille wrote: > I am preparing a new stake directory. I plan to include the following > information in it [regarding] Stake and Ward Web Sites. Dana, I am also preparing a stake directory, and I had planned to include a similar page. Thanks for doing so much of the work for me! People in our stake love their printed directory, but by the last few months of the year it is sadly out of date. I keep trying to preach the benefits of the stake/ward web sites, but there's a lot of ignorance, so anything we can do to get the word out is helpful. Just one note -- you might want to take a look at the wording of the second line of the following paragraph -- it doesn't make a lot of sense ;). > Click Update Profile on the top of any page to input your E-mail address and > make ether choices shout how end what your directory entries look like. Alan Brown Assistant Stake Clerk Sandy Utah Crescent Stake >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From dlyearsley at juno.com Mon Dec 10 16:12:37 2007 From: dlyearsley at juno.com (dlyearsley at juno.com) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:12:37 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Leadership Handbook Volume 2. Message-ID: <20071210.151237.26796.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I received a call from our 1st Counselor in the bishopric last night and he indicated that our ward is in need of some new handbooks, but they had heard that the new volume 2 was in the works. He ask if I had heard when they might be released. They don't want to order a new set of handbooks and a month or two later have a new volume two. I remember from the list last year talk about the Handbooks when volume 1 was released and I am wondering if there is anyone on the list that has a idea when then new volume 2 is supposed to be released. _____________________________________________________________ Click to book your dream cruise. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3nL6YFFmXvoT4xf3NvX1eSrRG3WUvPbutmMVZ9PiiYS1M3oo/ >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From ldsskier at rusticate.net Mon Dec 10 19:23:01 2007 From: ldsskier at rusticate.net (Skier) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:23:01 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Stake meetings In-Reply-To: <001f01c83b5a$ef13d950$cd3b8bf0$@edu> References: <2007110912501978ca53e95a@carla.selu.edu> <4734C3F7.9060805@gmail.com> <003201c82333$bf4f2b00$3ded8100$@edu> <001501c82ff0$c8cb91e0$5a62b5a0$@edu> <001f01c83b5a$ef13d950$cd3b8bf0$@edu> Message-ID: <475DE675.2030303@rusticate.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. A realignment of the stake boundaries would probably be a good idea, but rumor has it that there is one or two "power members" who are blocking the changes. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajacksn at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 21:26:42 2007 From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:26:42 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Stake meetings In-Reply-To: <475DE675.2030303@rusticate.net> References: <2007110912501978ca53e95a@carla.selu.edu> <4734C3F7.9060805@gmail.com> <003201c82333$bf4f2b00$3ded8100$@edu> <001501c82ff0$c8cb91e0$5a62b5a0$@edu> <001f01c83b5a$ef13d950$cd3b8bf0$@edu> <475DE675.2030303@rusticate.net> Message-ID: <475E0372.6060108@gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Skier: rumor has it that there is one or two "power members" who are blocking the changes. _______________ President Hinckley lives in your stake? He would never interfere with something like that. Otherwise, the only "power members" who count in a ward division are the stake president and the boundaries committee in Salt Lake. [grin] Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From embunker817 at msn.com Mon Dec 10 23:51:06 2007 From: embunker817 at msn.com (Eric Bunker) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:51:06 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Stake meetings References: <2007110912501978ca53e95a@carla.selu.edu> <4734C3F7.9060805@gmail.com> <003201c82333$bf4f2b00$3ded8100$@edu> <001501c82ff0$c8cb91e0$5a62b5a0$@edu> <001f01c83b5a$ef13d950$cd3b8bf0$@edu> <475DE675.2030303@rusticate.net> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Regardless if there are one, two or three stake involved, all the stake presidents have to in online for the change. The Area Authority and the President of the Seventy over your stakes does have a say. Of course, the Boundary and Leadership Change committee will be involved, and perhaps on a multi-stake change, the Quorum of the Twelve and maybe even the First Presidency. General Church leadership can reject it for any reason On a local level, there is no one that could put the brakes on such a move unless a stake president is asking for and listening to a former stake or regional leader he has respect for. My guess is that if a proposal has been submitted and it was shelved, it probably was done at the level of Seventy Presidency, Twelve or First Presidency. Generally a stake president will have already had a phone conversation with his Area Authority about such a possibility before they submit a proposal. Eric Clerk Queen Creek Arizona Stake ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skier" To: Cc: "Skier" Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 6:23 PM Subject: Re: LDSC: Re: Stake meetings > > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > >instructions and list URL. > > A realignment of the stake boundaries would probably be a good idea, but > rumor has it that there is one or two "power members" who are blocking > the changes. > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From ldsskier at rusticate.net Tue Dec 11 05:31:09 2007 From: ldsskier at rusticate.net (Skier) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:31:09 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Stake meetings In-Reply-To: References: <2007110912501978ca53e95a@carla.selu.edu> <4734C3F7.9060805@gmail.com> <003201c82333$bf4f2b00$3ded8100$@edu> <001501c82ff0$c8cb91e0$5a62b5a0$@edu> <001f01c83b5a$ef13d950$cd3b8bf0$@edu> <475DE675.2030303@rusticate.net> Message-ID: <475E74FD.3060200@rusticate.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Eric Bunker wrote: > On a local level, there is no one that could put the brakes on such a move > unless a stake president is asking for and listening to a former stake or > regional leader he has respect for. > > My guess is that if a proposal has been submitted and it was shelved, it > probably was done at the level of Seventy Presidency, Twelve or First > Presidency. No proposal has been drafted because of the very clear and strong opposition. But some day. Nothing particularly noteworthy, just business as usual. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From embunker817 at msn.com Tue Dec 11 07:37:56 2007 From: embunker817 at msn.com (Eric Bunker) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:37:56 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Stake meetings References: <2007110912501978ca53e95a@carla.selu.edu> <4734C3F7.9060805@gmail.com> <003201c82333$bf4f2b00$3ded8100$@edu> <001501c82ff0$c8cb91e0$5a62b5a0$@edu> <001f01c83b5a$ef13d950$cd3b8bf0$@edu> <475DE675.2030303@rusticate.net> <475E74FD.3060200@rusticate.net> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I am not understanding where the opposition would be coming from. If the opposition is coming from the Area Authority on up, then there is not anything that can be done. If that is the case, we have to accept that as the Lord's will. The only opposition that a president could receive at a local level is his counselors or another stake presidency, unless the president is making public what should be kept private. When we do divisions of wards, sometimes we get the opinion of the bishops affected. We never ask them for their approval. We never involve the general membership. It is the president's calling to ascertain the Lord's will in these matters and it is not in the best interest of the stake for him to go after the approval of the general membership, even the more seasoned ones, before he makes a decision for a proposal. Eric Clerk Queen Creek Arizona Stake ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skier" To: Cc: "Skier" Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 4:31 AM Subject: Re: LDSC: Re: Stake meetings > > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > >instructions and list URL. > > Eric Bunker wrote: > > > On a local level, there is no one that could put the brakes on such a > > move > > unless a stake president is asking for and listening to a former stake > > or > > regional leader he has respect for. > > > > My guess is that if a proposal has been submitted and it was shelved, it > > probably was done at the level of Seventy Presidency, Twelve or First > > Presidency. > > No proposal has been drafted because of the very clear and strong > opposition. But some day. Nothing particularly noteworthy, just > business as usual. > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From wa7jos at xmission.com Tue Dec 11 10:08:21 2007 From: wa7jos at xmission.com (Chuck Johnson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:08:21 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Stake meetings In-Reply-To: References: <2007110912501978ca53e95a@carla.selu.edu> <4734C3F7.9060805@gmail.com> <003201c82333$bf4f2b00$3ded8100$@edu> <001501c82ff0$c8cb91e0$5a62b5a0$@edu> <001f01c83b5a$ef13d950$cd3b8bf0$@edu> <475DE675.2030303@rusticate.net> Message-ID: <475EB5F5.9000203@xmission.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Eric Bunker wrote: > My guess is that if a proposal has been submitted and it was shelved, it > probably was done at the level of Seventy Presidency, Twelve or First > Presidency. Our last major realignment in 2000 produced 9 wards with really strange shapes, but the reason for it was to address the issue of equalizing the "transient" pain across all units. I thought at the time how strange the boundary shapes were. I was told that the stake submitted SEVENTEEN boundary proposals to CHQ before this one was approved. Several years later, I found myself in the position of stake technology specialist and the SP asked me to produce an updated map of the area. I used aerial photography, satellite imagery, county maps, Google, and anything else I could find including walking the entire stake several times and verifying every address. When completed, I analyzed the boundaries considering the goal of equalization and continuity, and found that there wasn't any better choice than the one in place. Aside from a few residences here and there that I might have put on "the other side of the line", I could see no alternate boundary that was a better solution to our problems. Those boundaries have served us well for 8 years now with only one minor tweak necessitated by growth in one area. When I heard that 17 proposals were considered and *THIS* was the best one, I was skeptical. Now, I'm convinced that "somebody" actually did know what they were doing. Chuck Johnson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From drepouille at hotmail.com Tue Dec 11 11:00:29 2007 From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:00:29 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Stake and Ward Web Sites In-Reply-To: <7378de6f0712101041v17a9059dx2695151b5357b38c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7378de6f0712101041v17a9059dx2695151b5357b38c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <009e01c83c17$55380c30$0501a8c0@3nnwq61> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. That's what I get when I scan and OCR someone else's work. Dana -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Alan Brown Just one note -- you might want to take a look at the wording of the second line of the following paragraph -- it doesn't make a lot of sense ;). > Click Update Profile on the top of any page to input your E-mail > address and make ether choices shout how end what your directory entries look like. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From cwha at ldskc.org Tue Dec 11 11:22:56 2007 From: cwha at ldskc.org (Chuck Anderson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:22:56 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Stake and Ward Web Sites In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <908adc330712110922n675c2ff8x3b0ba7f0c62bc798@mail.gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. No, that's what you get when you do not "proof-read" your work. Chuck On Dec 11, 2007 11:00 AM, Dana Repouille wrote: > > That's what I get when I scan and OCR someone else's work. > > Dana > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com > [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Alan Brown > > Just one note -- you might want to take a look at the wording of the > second > line of the following paragraph -- it doesn't make a lot of sense ;). > > Click Update Profile on the top of any page to input your E-mail > > address and make ether choices shout how end what your directory entries > look like. > > > -- Chuck Anderson cwha at ldskc.org >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From clerk.crescent at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 12:27:31 2007 From: clerk.crescent at gmail.com (Alan Brown) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:27:31 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Leadership Handbook Volume 2. In-Reply-To: <20071210.151237.26796.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> References: <20071210.151237.26796.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <7378de6f0712111027k7eeb65c1vaf939fefd907d3f4@mail.gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. On Dec 10, 2007 3:12 PM, dlyearsley at juno.com wrote: > I received a call from our 1st Counselor in the bishopric last night and he indicated that our ward is in need of some new handbooks, but they had heard that the new volume 2 was in the works. He ask if I had heard when they might be released. They don't want to order a new set of handbooks and a month or two later have a new volume two. I remember from the list last year talk about the Handbooks when volume 1 was released and I am wondering if there is anyone on the list that has a idea when then new volume 2 is supposed to be released. Our stake recently called to order Book 2, and we were told that there is no specific release date for the new edition. It has been known since well before the 2006 edition of Book 1 came out that a new Book 2 was "in the works," but it will arrive when it arrives. Until then, if you need handbooks, order the current Book 2. Alan Brown >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From clerk at m2safford.net Tue Dec 11 21:41:10 2007 From: clerk at m2safford.net (Stake Clerk) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:41:10 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Tithing Statements In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. In one of our units the "Tithing and Other Offerings Statement" for a particular donor shows six different donations over the course of a few months for a total of $137. The "Tithing Settlement Statement" for that same donor for that same period shows no donations at all. Has anyone else ever encountered this? The donor is still a member of the unit, no other weirdness that I can think of. . . Thanks. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lds5806 at aol.com Tue Dec 11 22:05:22 2007 From: lds5806 at aol.com (lds5806 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:05:22 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Tithing Statements Message-ID: <23090353.136631197432321910.JavaMail.root@dapper-d02.mail.aol.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Is your MLS have upgrade recently to 2.7.2. It should fix the problem. On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 8:41pm, Stake Clerk wrote: > >>From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription >>instructions and list URL. > >In one of our units the "Tithing and Other Offerings Statement" for a >particular donor shows six different donations over the course of a few >months for a total of $137. The "Tithing Settlement Statement" for that >same donor for that same period shows no donations at all. Has anyone else >ever encountered this? The donor is still a member of the unit, no other >weirdness that I can think of. . . > >Thanks. > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From rpyne at kinfolk.org Tue Dec 11 22:17:45 2007 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard Pyne) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:17:45 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Tithing Statements In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <475EFE79.1475.9E009B@rpyne.kinfolk.org> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Yes. If the donor is not associated with a member record number this will happen. --Richard On 11 Dec 2007 at 20:41, Stake Clerk wrote: > > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > In one of our units the "Tithing and Other Offerings Statement" for a > particular donor shows six different donations over the course of a few > months for a total of $137. The "Tithing Settlement Statement" for that > same donor for that same period shows no donations at all. Has anyone else > ever encountered this? The donor is still a member of the unit, no other > weirdness that I can think of. . . > > Thanks. > > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.0/1180 - Release Date: 12/10/2007 2:51 PM > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From wa7jos at xmission.com Tue Dec 11 22:27:12 2007 From: wa7jos at xmission.com (Chuck Johnson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:27:12 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Tithing Statements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <475F6320.8010907@xmission.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Stake Clerk wrote: > In one of our units the "Tithing and Other Offerings Statement" for a > particular donor shows six different donations over the course of a few > months for a total of $137. The "Tithing Settlement Statement" for that > same donor for that same period shows no donations at all. Has anyone else > ever encountered this? The donor is still a member of the unit, no other > weirdness that I can think of. . . Were the donations made under different names and then consolidated? We ran into a similar situation where donations were missing. We tracked it down to donations made under one of the now hidden names. My best guess is that donations were entered under a previously consolidated name AFTER it was grouped with the NOW active name. The cure seems to be to unlink the name under which the donations were made, ignore the warning messages about unlinking, then re-link the names. That seemed to bring the donations back on the tithing settlement statement. Chuck Johnson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajacksn at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 22:40:53 2007 From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:40:53 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Tithing Statements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <475F6655.9010706@gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Stake Clerk: . . . the "Tithing and Other Offerings Statement" for a particular donor shows six different donations . . . The "Tithing Settlement Statement" for that same donor for that same period shows no donations at all. _______________ This happens most often when the donor has not been linked to a membership record. Go to Add/Update Donors, select the donor, then link the donor name to his or her membership record. Don't forget to save. While you are in there, make sure the Member Type is "Member of Unit". This was one of the MLS tips not too long ago. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajacksn at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 23:30:50 2007 From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:30:50 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Tithing Declaration Report Message-ID: <4760C38A.8090803@gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Once again, our new bishops are struggling with the Tithing Declaration Report and the keeping of family members together. We have many errors on this report because the report does not group names into families the bishop recognizes. Other than printing out a copy of the ward directory and making the bishop cross reference the names, have any of you found a better way to deal with this problem? Because requests to make a change have been ignored over the past four years, it appears that Hq does not intend to make this report more user friendly. I would appreciate any thoughts or suggestions you may have for our bishops. The recording of the individual declarations for members who attend tithing settlement is not a problem. But the recording by the bishop of declarations for everyone else in the ward is taking a lot of wasted time that the bishops could better use doing other things than trying to sort out which Jacksons are active and which Jacksons never come to Church, along with their respective children under eight who are not accountable, do not pay tithing, and otherwise clutter up the report. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From clerk at bradtek.com Fri Dec 14 14:47:45 2007 From: clerk at bradtek.com (Eric B) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:47:45 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in church buildings Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I'm serving as ward clerk and having some difficulty with getting our stake technology specialist to pursue networking the clerks' computers in the building. We would like to get access to the existing internet connection, as we reside in a stake center with a FHC that has DSL internet service. We mainly want to take advantage of the faster send/receive speed in MLS, as well as access our ward/stake websites (a printed directory is no longer distributed). To assist in the cause, I'm looking to see if I can get a hold of any official letters/notices from the church that outline what is permitted, as well as any technical requirements that may involve funds to be spent. Thanks. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 16:16:29 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:16:29 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Calling all Spanish Speakers Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Posted on the LDS Tech site: "We would like to engage with the community to help us translate text for various programs we are currently developing. If this test goes well, we will create a more formal process of getting the community involved with translation issues." They are asking to translate some things from English to Spanish. Because of the content, it would be best for someone who knows the proper church phrases "Stake Technology Specialist", "unit", "FM Group", etc. Clearly someone who has exposure to clerking in both languages would be a good candidate for the job. That's why I'm forwarding the info here. Details at: http://tech.lds.org/forum/showthread.php?t=835 >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From cwha at ldskc.org Sat Dec 15 14:06:31 2007 From: cwha at ldskc.org (Chuck Anderson) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:06:31 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in Message-ID: <908adc330712151206x1794a2dfibfb2e2ce78cbd715@mail.gmail.com> church buildings Cc: "Eric B" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ldsclerks at mormonstoday.com List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Cc: "Chuck Anderson" >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I haven't seen any official letters yet, BUT, being impatient, here's what I did... After hearing on this forum that some had already done it, I called the normal Clerk's help number, 1-800-453-3860, ext. 23500, and asked if it was o.k. to connect the Ward Clerks computers to an existing FHC wireless network. The answer was yes, IF you are in a building that already has an authorized online FHC with a wireless network. It needs to be "wireless" AND you are required to install "Odyssey" software on each Ward computer which controls the access to the wireless network, AND you must purchase the Wireless Network Adapters locally with local money. Our FHC used "LinkSys Wireless G USB network adapters" so that's what we bought for the clerk's computers - about $50 each. The Stake Technology Specialist should be doing this. You download the Odyssey software for free from an existing high-speed computer onto a USB drive, and then install from the USB drive. The first screen asks for a secret key, and you must call the SLC Global Service-Odyssey support team to have them walk you through the remainder of the installation - at: 1-866-678-2763 This same support team will give you the URL of the web page where you download Odyssey. You will need to call this same team separately for each computer on which you install Odyssey. Once all that is done, it's all automatic -- an MLS Send/Receive operation takes about 1 minute - it's wonderful. The ward can also use the IE browser to access www.lds.org which will aid in their membership work. Oh, and you must go into MLS and click on System Options, then select "System" and click the radio button to use the Internet instead of a Modem. Chuck Anderson Stake technology specialist Lenexa Kansas Stake On Dec 14, 2007 2:47 PM, Eric B wrote: > > I'm serving as ward clerk and having some difficulty with getting our > stake technology specialist to pursue networking the clerks' computers > in the building. We would like to get access to the existing internet > connection, as we reside in a stake center with a FHC that has DSL > internet service. We mainly want to take advantage of the faster > send/receive speed in MLS, as well as access our ward/stake websites (a > printed directory is no longer distributed). > > To assist in the cause, I'm looking to see if I can get a hold of any > official letters/notices from the church that outline what is > permitted, as well as any technical requirements that may involve funds > to be spent. Thanks. > -- Chuck Anderson cwha at ldskc.org >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From simonsen at charter.net Sat Dec 15 14:21:46 2007 From: simonsen at charter.net (simonsen) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:21:46 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in church buildings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4764375A.1060808@charter.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Eric B wrote: >>From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > >I'm serving as ward clerk and having some difficulty with getting our >stake technology specialist to pursue networking the clerks' computers >in the building. We would like to get access to the existing internet >connection, as we reside in a stake center with a FHC that has DSL >internet service. We mainly want to take advantage of the faster >send/receive speed in MLS, as well as access our ward/stake websites (a >printed directory is no longer distributed). > >To assist in the cause, I'm looking to see if I can get a hold of any >official letters/notices from the church that outline what is >permitted, as well as any technical requirements that may involve funds >to be spent. Thanks. > > >>From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. >See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > >Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com >To join: subscribe ldsclerks >To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks >To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > > > > Item 4 of this this message sent to Stake Technology Specialists in February is a statement of the policy regarding internet connectivity. I hope this helps. Richard Simonsen To: Stake Technology Specialists Subject: Desktop Image 5.5 Date sent: 23 Feb, 2007 Thank you for your time and efforts in installing the new Desktop Image 5.5 to units in your Stake. Although most units have completed this process, this message is to help clarify some questions regarding the new Desktop Image. 1. As the Desktop 5.5 instructions state, Please update all administrative computers in your stake or district within two weeks of receiving this notice. Dont be overly concerned if you do not complete all units within two weeks, do your best to complete them all in a timely manner. Dont worry about the July date on the CDs or the November date on the instructions document, as most units were not sent the Desktop 5.5 information until January or February. 2. As the instructions indicate, only install the Desktop 5.5 on standard computers (see pg. 12) or a computer that meets the minimum requirements (see pg. 6). 3. Beginning January 1, 2007, the new standard computer that is shipped to units is the Dell Optiplex 740. The Desktop 5.5 Image fails to install on the Dell 740. YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO INSTALL THE DESKTOP 5.5 ON THE DELL 740. Information regarding the future method for securing the Dell 740s will be communicated in the near future. 4. This information is to clarify confusion regarding Church units using the internet. The 'Internet Use Policy' is included in the Desktop 5.5 instructions so that authorized units using the internet are aware of the Internet Use Policy. A. Internet connectivity on Church computers is only authorized if both of these conditions are met: - Secure Desktop 5.5 Image installed (or future method mentioned in item #3) - Located in the same physical building as an authorized Church Communication Network (CCN) with a Church provided hardware firewall *UNITS THAT DO NOT MEET BOTH CONDITIONS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO CONNECT TO THE INTERNET. B. You will need to contact your Facilities Manager to verify whether your unit has an authorized CCN with firewall. C. The FM group must approve of physical changes to the building (if needed) to accommodate usage of the CCN. Costs incurred for enabling administrative computers in the building to access the CCN (i.e. cabling, wireless cards) may be available from your FM group. If funding is not available from your FM Group, the Stake budget may be used with Stake President approval. If funding is not available from the FM Group or the Stake budget, you will not be able to fund internet connectivity. Donated funds or equipment are NOT authorized for this purpose. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From klarsen at MormonsToday.com Sat Dec 15 19:09:44 2007 From: klarsen at MormonsToday.com (Kent Larsen) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:09:44 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Calling all Spanish Speakers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. --- In ldsclerks at yahoogroups.com, "Russell Hltn" wrote: > > Posted on the LDS Tech site: > > "We would like to engage with the community to help us translate text > for various programs we are currently developing. If this test goes > well, we will create a more formal process of getting the community > involved with translation issues." > > They are asking to translate some things from English to Spanish. > Because of the content, it would be best for someone who knows the > proper church phrases "Stake Technology Specialist", "unit", "FM > Group", etc. Clearly someone who has exposure to clerking in both > languages would be a good candidate for the job. That's why I'm > forwarding the info here. > > Details at: http://tech.lds.org/forum/showthread.php?t=835 > Interesting development. I agree with the sentiment, but I'm afraid the implementation leaves a lot to be desired. I found it rather difficult to try and check the translations in the format given. But I was very glad to see that someone had taken it upon themselves to do a Portuguese translation. Good for them! Sends the right message. But, unfortunately, I've not found any good software tool for collaborative translations, which is what would be ideal in this case. (well, the site http://traduwiki.org/ is very good, nearly what is needed - unfortunately, the creator hasn't yet released the sourcecode, although he says he will eventually). Perhaps the folks on the LDSTechforum could give us a collaborative tool, I think that would be a great step forward, and allow the army of members who have some knowledge of various languages to help the Church. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From bowerm at ix.netcom.com Sat Dec 15 23:08:09 2007 From: bowerm at ix.netcom.com (Michael Bower) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:08:09 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in In-Reply-To: <908adc330712151206x1794a2dfibfb2e2ce78cbd715@mail.gmail.com> References: <908adc330712151206x1794a2dfibfb2e2ce78cbd715@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4764B2B9.5040407@ix.netcom.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. This doesn't jive with what I remember. We were told that we could connect to the FHC network HOWEVER: 1) we had to completely replace the disk image on the current computers with their disk images, which meant we were under their control. Their new image included/incorporated Landesk 5.5 or something like that. 2) The above completely re-images the unit computers and that involves re-loading any software you have loaded INCLUDING MLS!!!! 3) It is a several hour project per computer 4) EVERY computer in the stake must have the same software. Even those computers that are in other buildings and not able to use the FHC connection. All of the above is a huge effort and most of the units agree it just isn't worth the effort for the 5-10 minutes a week they have to dial in. If this has all changed and it is easier, that is super. Chuck Anderson wrote: > church buildings > Cc: "Eric B" > In-Reply-To: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > Sender: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: ldsclerks at mormonstoday.com > List-Help: > List-Unsubscribe: > List-Subscribe: > Cc: "Chuck Anderson" > > >>From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > > I haven't seen any official letters yet, BUT, being impatient, here's what I > did... > After hearing on this forum that some had already done it, I called the > normal Clerk's help number, 1-800-453-3860, ext. 23500, and asked if it was > o.k. to connect the Ward Clerks computers to an existing FHC wireless > network. > The answer was yes, IF you are in a building that already has an authorized > online FHC with a wireless network. > It needs to be "wireless" AND you are required to install "Odyssey" software > on each Ward computer which controls the access to the wireless network, AND > you must purchase the Wireless Network Adapters locally with local money. > Our FHC used "LinkSys Wireless G USB network adapters" so that's what we > bought for the clerk's computers - about $50 each. The Stake Technology > Specialist should be doing this. > You download the Odyssey software for free from an existing high-speed > computer onto a USB drive, and then install from the USB drive. The first > screen asks for a secret key, and you must call the SLC Global > Service-Odyssey support team to have them walk you through the remainder of > the installation - at: 1-866-678-2763 > This same support team will give you the URL of the web page where you > download Odyssey. > You will need to call this same team separately for each computer on which > you install Odyssey. > > Once all that is done, it's all automatic -- an MLS Send/Receive operation > takes about 1 minute - it's wonderful. > The ward can also use the IE browser to access www.lds.org which will aid in > their membership work. > > Oh, and you must go into MLS and click on System Options, then select > "System" and click the radio button to use the Internet instead of a Modem. > > Chuck Anderson > Stake technology specialist > Lenexa Kansas Stake > > > On Dec 14, 2007 2:47 PM, Eric B wrote: >> I'm serving as ward clerk and having some difficulty with getting our >> stake technology specialist to pursue networking the clerks' computers >> in the building. We would like to get access to the existing internet >> connection, as we reside in a stake center with a FHC that has DSL >> internet service. We mainly want to take advantage of the faster >> send/receive speed in MLS, as well as access our ward/stake websites (a >> printed directory is no longer distributed). >> >> To assist in the cause, I'm looking to see if I can get a hold of any >> official letters/notices from the church that outline what is >> permitted, as well as any technical requirements that may involve funds >> to be spent. Thanks. >> > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 02:56:27 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:56:27 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in In-Reply-To: <4764B2B9.5040407@ix.netcom.com> References: <908adc330712151206x1794a2dfibfb2e2ce78cbd715@mail.gmail.com> <4764B2B9.5040407@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Chuck Anderson wrote: >>> It needs to be "wireless" AND you are required to install "Odyssey" software on each Ward computer which controls the access to the wireless network <<< It's not required to be wireless, but you side step dealing with FM group if you do so. And by wireless, this is to connect to an existing church-installed wireless system, not installing your own. You can go with cables, but you'd have to involve the FM group for drilling holes, etc. If you've already got a network jack installed in the office, your good as gold as soon as the computer meets the requirements. On Dec 15, 2007 7:08 PM, Michael Bower wrote: > This doesn't jive with what I remember. We were told that we could > connect to the FHC network HOWEVER: > > 1) we had to completely replace the disk image on the current computers > with their disk images, which meant we were under their control. Correct, you had to install Desktop 5.5 or approved equivalent in the case of a certain Dell model that wouldn't accept Desktop 5.5 image. > 2) The above completely re-images the unit computers and that involves > re-loading any software you have loaded INCLUDING MLS!!!! True > 3) It is a several hour project per computer Yeah, I think it took me about 3 hours each. I ended up doing it at the same time as a MLS upgrade (2.6?) so it saved me a bit of time to install the new version rather then loading the old one. > 4) EVERY computer in the stake must have the same software. Even those > computers that are in other buildings and not able to use the FHC > connection. All computers must have the same version of MLS. Now, way back in Jan/Feb, the church asked everyone to install Desktop 5.5. In that sense, we are supposed to do it. But I don't remember any requirement that all or none of the computers were to have Desktop 5.5. I took a little over a month to do it. No issues noticed. > All of the above is a huge effort and most of the units agree it just > isn't worth the effort for the 5-10 minutes a week they have to dial in. One of the reasons for installing Desktop 5.5 is it includes Symantec Antivirus. The subscription for Command AV has expired so it can no longer be updated. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From drepouille at hotmail.com Sun Dec 16 10:00:25 2007 From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:00:25 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in In-Reply-To: <4764B2B9.5040407@ix.netcom.com> References: <908adc330712151206x1794a2dfibfb2e2ce78cbd715@mail.gmail.com> <4764B2B9.5040407@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: <008e01c83ffc$c526ec30$0501a8c0@3nnwq61> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. >>1) we had to completely replace the disk image on the current computers with their disk images, which meant we were under their control. Their new image included/incorporated Landesk 5.5 or something like that. Yes, you must install Desktop 5.5, which includes LANDesk and Symantec Anti-Virus. "Under their control" means that the help desk can, with your permission, access your computer directly to see what you see and fix problems much faster. >>2) The above completely re-images the unit computers and that involves re-loading any software you have loaded INCLUDING MLS!!!! Some, but not all. It's really no big deal IF you are using the standard software suite. >>3) It is a several hour project per computer I did all 12 computers in the stake. It takes a little while to prepare yourself by reading the instructions and downloading all the software you will need to a USB flash drive. After that, it takes less than two hours to re-image each computer. >>4) EVERY computer in the stake must have the same software. Even those computers that are in other buildings and not able to use the FHC connection. Absolutely not. All versions of MLS in the stake must match, and we are strongly encouraged to install Desktop 5.5 onto all computers in the stake, whether on dial-up or broadband. It just makes sense to have a consistent software load throughout the stake, but I wouldn't say "must." >>All of the above is a huge effort and most of the units agree it just isn't worth the effort for the 5-10 minutes a week they have to dial in. My clerks disagree. They don't mind if I use two hours of my time to save them many hours during the year. They can even access their e-mail accounts from the clerk's computer, which is a great help to them. They also have access to all the clerk training lessons, not to mention the new FamilySearch. Dana No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 11:36 AM >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From clerk at bradtek.com Sun Dec 16 12:22:40 2007 From: clerk at bradtek.com (Eric B) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:22:40 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in buildings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Thanks for the feedback. So, if the clerks' computer has Desktop 5.5 installed, are there any additional software changes (other than network card drivers) that are required for connecting to the building's authorized internet connection? > All computers must have the same version of MLS. Now, way back in > Jan/Feb, the church asked everyone to install Desktop 5.5. In that > sense, we are supposed to do it. But I don't remember any > requirement that all or none of the computers were to have Desktop 5.5. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From rpyne at kinfolk.org Sun Dec 16 17:23:48 2007 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard Pyne) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:23:48 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in In-Reply-To: References: <908adc330712151206x1794a2dfibfb2e2ce78cbd715@mail.gmail.com>, <4764B2B9.5040407@ix.netcom.com>, Message-ID: <47655114.16611.13768C3@rpyne.kinfolk.org> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. We just pulled the wire yesterday for running a wired network. I called our FM manager a few weeks ago and asked about installing a network. He gave us two options, they would arrange for a contractor to do it or if we had people qualified to do so, we could install it ourselves. Either way, we would have to bare the cost out of our budget. Having had considerable experience in such projects, I layed out what needed to be done and got one of our young men who needed a Duty to God service project to manage the actual pulling of the wire through the crawl spaces under the building. Over the next week, I'll do all of the cable termination. In our case, we ran one cable from the FHC to the satellite equipment room that is right off of the stake clerk's office and then from there to each of the ward clerk's offices. Our total cost after buying the wire, terminations and a router will be about $200.00. --Richard On 15 Dec 2007 at 22:56, Russell Hltn wrote: > Chuck Anderson wrote: > >>> It needs to be "wireless" AND you are required to install "Odyssey" software > on each Ward computer which controls the access to the wireless network <<< > > It's not required to be wireless, but you side step dealing with FM > group if you do so. And by wireless, this is to connect to an > existing church-installed wireless system, not installing your own. > > You can go with cables, but you'd have to involve the FM group for > drilling holes, etc. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From rpyne at kinfolk.org Sun Dec 16 17:27:39 2007 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard Pyne) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:27:39 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in In-Reply-To: <008e01c83ffc$c526ec30$0501a8c0@3nnwq61> References: <908adc330712151206x1794a2dfibfb2e2ce78cbd715@mail.gmail.com>, <4764B2B9.5040407@ix.netcom.com>, <008e01c83ffc$c526ec30$0501a8c0@3nnwq61> Message-ID: <476551FB.2193.13AEF69@rpyne.kinfolk.org> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. On 16 Dec 2007 at 10:00, Dana Repouille wrote: > not to mention the new > FamilySearch. I'm jealous, I got to play it as a beta tester for Ancestral Quest, but now I have to wait for it to get to our Temple district before I can actually use it. --Richard >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajacksn at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 18:36:15 2007 From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:36:15 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: buggs in MLS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4765C47F.5010809@gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Eric Bunker: the clerk created an abbreviated membership list and then created mailing labels from this list using the mailing label button, ________________ Ok. I am MLS challenged today. I was going to duplicate this but do not know how. If I click on Abbreviated Directory under Reports/Forms, then select File > Print Mailing Labels, I get a Print Selected Labels list from which to select the labels desired. It is the same list as the Abbreviated Directory, and if I Select All, I get the correct number of labels. A print preview shows that no additional labels are created. However, I did not find the "mailing label button" to which you refer. Am I trying to do something a different way? Glad to help. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From mark_werner at byu.edu Sun Dec 16 22:01:14 2007 From: mark_werner at byu.edu (Mark Werner) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:01:14 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in In-Reply-To: <47655114.16611.13768C3@rpyne.kinfolk.org> References: <908adc330712151206x1794a2dfibfb2e2ce78cbd715@mail.gmail.com>, <4764B2B9.5040407@ix.netcom.com>, <47655114.16611.13768C3@rpyne.kinfolk.org> Message-ID: <002101c84061$77bdec40$6739c4c0$@edu> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. We're under the same FM group, but they never offered to let us do it ourselves, even though we have several qualified people. They contracted with a commercial outfit and it cost $995 to hook up three wards. Bummer. Mark Werner -----Original Message----- We just pulled the wire yesterday for running a wired network. I called our FM manager a few weeks ago and asked about installing a network. He gave us two options, they would arrange for a contractor to do it or if we had people qualified to do so, we could install it ourselves. Either way, we would have to bare the cost out of our budget. Having had considerable experience in such projects, I layed out what needed to be done and got one of our young men who needed a Duty to God service project to manage the actual pulling of the wire through the crawl spaces under the building. Over the next week, I'll do all of the cable termination. In our case, we ran one cable from the FHC to the satellite equipment room that is right off of the stake clerk's office and then from there to each of the ward clerk's offices. Our total cost after buying the wire, terminations and a router will be about $200.00. --Richard >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 23:40:04 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:40:04 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in buildings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Of course you have to get the networking working, and you probably need to change a setting in MLS to take advantage of the connection, but no. Nothing else. On Dec 16, 2007 8:22 AM, Eric B wrote: > > Thanks for the feedback. So, if the clerks' computer has Desktop 5.5 > installed, are there any additional software changes (other than > network card drivers) that are required for connecting to the > building's authorized internet connection? > > > All computers must have the same version of MLS. Now, way back in > > Jan/Feb, the church asked everyone to install Desktop 5.5. In that > > sense, we are supposed to do it. But I don't remember any > > requirement that all or none of the computers were to have Desktop > 5.5. > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 23:47:01 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:47:01 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in In-Reply-To: <47655114.16611.13768C3@rpyne.kinfolk.org> References: <908adc330712151206x1794a2dfibfb2e2ce78cbd715@mail.gmail.com> <4764B2B9.5040407@ix.netcom.com> <47655114.16611.13768C3@rpyne.kinfolk.org> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. On Dec 16, 2007 1:23 PM, Richard Pyne wrote: > > Our total cost after buying the wire, terminations and a router will be > about $200.00. > Router? Or switch? >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From rpyne at kinfolk.org Mon Dec 17 16:26:23 2007 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard Pyne) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:26:23 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in In-Reply-To: References: <908adc330712151206x1794a2dfibfb2e2ce78cbd715@mail.gmail.com>, <47655114.16611.13768C3@rpyne.kinfolk.org>, Message-ID: <4766951F.15592.BDB389@rpyne.kinfolk.org> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. On 16 Dec 2007 at 19:47, Russell Hltn wrote: > On Dec 16, 2007 1:23 PM, Richard Pyne wrote: > > > > Our total cost after buying the wire, terminations and a router will be > > about $200.00. > > > > Router? Or switch? We went with a wireless router with four wired ports for a couple of reasons. First is that the Cisco PIIX device in the FHC only has 4 DHCP licenses and second, so I and other stake officers could connect to the WiFi during meetings. --Richard >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jworth1 at insightbb.com Mon Dec 17 18:28:24 2007 From: jworth1 at insightbb.com (Jeff Worthington) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:28:24 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in References: <908adc330712151206x1794a2dfibfb2e2ce78cbd715@mail.gmail.com> <47655114.16611.13768C3@rpyne.kinfolk.org> <4766951F.15592.BDB389@rpyne.kinfolk.org> Message-ID: <000a01c8410c$e6be66f0$6401a8c0@Worthington> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I have been monitoring the chats concerning the need to connect wirelessly in the ward buildings but I have not figured out what advantage that gives you. If it is to share information, why does it need to be immediately? If taking minutes on a notebook saves time, I can understand that but to share those minutes, it can be sent as an attachment to those that need copies. What about those that have PDAs, can they connect while in sacrament meeting thus taking away from the spirit? Thanks Jeff Worthington Morton Ward Peoria IL Stake ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Pyne" To: Cc: "Russell Hltn" ; "Richard Pyne" Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 4:26 PM Subject: Re: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in > >>From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription >>instructions and list URL. > > On 16 Dec 2007 at 19:47, Russell Hltn wrote: > >> On Dec 16, 2007 1:23 PM, Richard Pyne wrote: >> > >> > Our total cost after buying the wire, terminations and a router will be >> > about $200.00. >> > >> >> Router? Or switch? > > We went with a wireless router with four wired ports for a couple of > reasons. First is that the Cisco PIIX device in the FHC only has 4 DHCP > licenses and second, so I and other stake officers could connect to the > WiFi during meetings. > > --Richard > > >>From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date: > 12/17/2007 2:13 PM > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From drepouille at hotmail.com Mon Dec 17 19:45:49 2007 From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:45:49 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in In-Reply-To: <000a01c8410c$e6be66f0$6401a8c0@Worthington> References: <908adc330712151206x1794a2dfibfb2e2ce78cbd715@mail.gmail.com> <47655114.16611.13768C3@rpyne.kinfolk.org> <4766951F.15592.BDB389@rpyne.kinfolk.org> <000a01c8410c$e6be66f0$6401a8c0@Worthington> Message-ID: <01c101c84117$b74bcab0$0501a8c0@3nnwq61> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. The wireless connections via the Odyssey Client are not really intended for personal computer or PDA usage. You must use the Odyssey Client to connect to the supplied Cisco Aeronet wireless access point. This is only intended for church-owned computers. To allow privately-owned devices to connect, you would need to install another WAP or wireless router. Then you would have to worry about security. If you have an unencrypted signal, will it be on all the time? Will the signal be strong enough to reach the neighbors? Dana -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Worthington Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 6:28 PM To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Jeff Worthington Subject: Re: LDSC: Looking for official documents on internet access in >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I have been monitoring the chats concerning the need to connect wirelessly in the ward buildings but I have not figured out what advantage that gives you. If it is to share information, why does it need to be immediately? If taking minutes on a notebook saves time, I can understand that but to share those minutes, it can be sent as an attachment to those that need copies. What about those that have PDAs, can they connect while in sacrament meeting thus taking away from the spirit? Thanks Jeff Worthington Morton Ward Peoria IL Stake No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1188 - Release Date: 12/17/2007 2:13 PM >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajacksn at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 18:12:46 2007 From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:12:46 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Local Unit Website Calendar Message-ID: <476861FE.1060002@gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. In another learning curve that went off the cliff (twice): 1. If you set up a repeating event for, say, every 3rd Sunday, with a start date of January 1st and an end date of December 31st, because you figure the computer is smart enough to figure out when the 3rd Sunday is without you having to look it up, and then you send a broadcast message to the unit, the broadcast message will say that the event will take place on January 1st, which is not the 3rd Sunday. I should have known better than to send the message anyway, because 26 of them bounced. 2. If you happen to stumble into the unit to make some leadership changes and notice that there are two notifications to approve, and it is late at night, along with the recurring 3rd Sunday event you will approve a Christmas social that took place last week, and will broadcast e-mail it to all the members, and get another 26 messages back from the land of the bouncing ISP. Those few who actually get the message will be amused, as well. They the person who submitted it will wonder why you canceled it without ever posting it. And silly me, I thought as administrator that I was supposed to get an e-mail when there were notifications to approve. Two for two, eh? Which is why we do not use the local unit websites for very much at all. I did invite the unit in question to propose a local unit administrator. Then that person can have these wonderful off the cliff learning experiences throughout the coming year. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, the Gospel is still true. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From mark_werner at byu.edu Tue Dec 18 19:20:31 2007 From: mark_werner at byu.edu (Mark Werner) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:20:31 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Local Unit Website Calendar In-Reply-To: <476861FE.1060002@gmail.com> References: <476861FE.1060002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901c841dd$59298410$0b7c8c30$@edu> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. 1. It sounds as if you set it up as a weekly repeating event, which allows you to repeat an event every X weeks (beginning on the start date). If you set it up as a monthly repeating event, you can select the third Sunday of each month, which I gather is what you intended. 2. I'm pretty sure I've seen in the past that if the person designated to receive the e-mail notifications is deleted from the administrator list the notification option doesn't automatically switch to another administrator. So you have to specifically re-designate someone to receive the notifications or the notifications just vanish. I think the broadcast messages for events are generally worthless. For one thing, they are sent whenever the event is posted. What if I'm posting an event for next August? I don't want an e-mail sent now--but it would be nice to be able to specify that I want a reminder sent the day before the event. On top of that, the e-mails sent by the system are not very helpful; they just say that an event (at least they do give the name of the event) has been posted on the calendar and to log in to look at it. I don't think most people will bother to do that. I prefer to send my own e-mail broadcasts that contain all the details. I hate all the bounce notices too and wish there were a better solution. My last broadcast generated 55 of them. However, that's still only 8% of the registered users, so 92% of the e-mails got to their destination, which keeps me doing it. Even though the Web calendar could be more user-friendly, I still like using it because then anyone can see the current calendar at any time, rather than relying on an obsolete printed version. Once a month our stake prints a two-month calendar for leaders, but we almost never print a calendar for the whole year; there are just too many changes that happen along the way. Mark Werner -----Original Message----- In another learning curve that went off the cliff (twice): 1. If you set up a repeating event for, say, every 3rd Sunday, with a start date of January 1st and an end date of December 31st, because you figure the computer is smart enough to figure out when the 3rd Sunday is without you having to look it up, and then you send a broadcast message to the unit, the broadcast message will say that the event will take place on January 1st, which is not the 3rd Sunday. I should have known better than to send the message anyway, because 26 of them bounced. 2. If you happen to stumble into the unit to make some leadership changes and notice that there are two notifications to approve, and it is late at night, along with the recurring 3rd Sunday event you will approve a Christmas social that took place last week, and will broadcast e-mail it to all the members, and get another 26 messages back from the land of the bouncing ISP. Those few who actually get the message will be amused, as well. They the person who submitted it will wonder why you canceled it without ever posting it. And silly me, I thought as administrator that I was supposed to get an e-mail when there were notifications to approve. Two for two, eh? Which is why we do not use the local unit websites for very much at all. I did invite the unit in question to propose a local unit administrator. Then that person can have these wonderful off the cliff learning experiences throughout the coming year. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, the Gospel is still true. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajacksn at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 21:27:39 2007 From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:27:39 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Local Unit Website Calendar In-Reply-To: <000901c841dd$59298410$0b7c8c30$@edu> References: <476861FE.1060002@gmail.com> <000901c841dd$59298410$0b7c8c30$@edu> Message-ID: <47688FAB.2020106@gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Mark Werner: 1. It sounds as if you set it up as a weekly repeating event, ... 2. So you have to specifically re-designate someone to receive the notifications or the notifications just vanish. _______________ 1. No. I just went 1 Jan through 31 Dec and let the program do the picking of the Sundays. January 1st is a Tuesday, but it is also the date of the event that was broadcast in the message. 2. I have never been deleted and am still selected as the notification recipient. That has never changed. I only get about half of them. You are not saying I should delete myself and re-add myself occasionally, are you? I hope not. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 22:13:17 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:13:17 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Local Unit Website Calendar In-Reply-To: <000901c841dd$59298410$0b7c8c30$@edu> References: <476861FE.1060002@gmail.com> <000901c841dd$59298410$0b7c8c30$@edu> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. On Dec 18, 2007 3:20 PM, Mark Werner wrote: > 2. I'm pretty sure I've seen in the past that if the person designated to > receive the e-mail notifications is deleted from the administrator list the > notification option doesn't automatically switch to another administrator. > So you have to specifically re-designate someone to receive the > notifications or the notifications just vanish. > If you don't designate, it sends to all. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajacksn at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 23:00:11 2007 From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:00:11 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Local Unit Website Calendar In-Reply-To: References: <476861FE.1060002@gmail.com> <000901c841dd$59298410$0b7c8c30$@edu> Message-ID: <4768A55B.5040604@gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Russell Houlton: If you don't designate, it sends to all. _______________ Interesting. Here, no one gets anything if someone is not designated. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 04:18:10 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 05:18:10 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Local Unit Website Calendar In-Reply-To: <4768A55B.5040604@gmail.com> References: <476861FE.1060002@gmail.com> <000901c841dd$59298410$0b7c8c30$@edu> <4768A55B.5040604@gmail.com> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. My experience is on the stake level. Perhaps it's different at the ward.level. On Dec 18, 2007 7:00 PM, Larry Jackson wrote: > > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > Russell Houlton: > > If you don't designate, it sends to all. > > _______________ > > Interesting. Here, no one gets anything if someone is not designated. > > > Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajacksn at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 08:18:04 2007 From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:18:04 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Local Unit Website Calendar In-Reply-To: References: <476861FE.1060002@gmail.com> <000901c841dd$59298410$0b7c8c30$@edu> <4768A55B.5040604@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4769281C.9030104@gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Russell Houlton: My experience is on the stake level. Perhaps it's different at the ward level. _______________ As the stake admin, I have learned that each of the 14 units in our stake acts differently. And even though they are different, none of the 14 is consistent, as far as I can tell. I have noticed a little improvement over the years. Nothing I have requested has ever been fixed, however. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From blazzard at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 11:13:04 2007 From: blazzard at gmail.com (byublazzard) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:13:04 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Local Unit Website Calendar In-Reply-To: <476861FE.1060002@gmail.com> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. We have given up on sending email notifications via the unit web site a long time ago. The emails are out of date as many members just don't keep up with their profiles. The most damaging effect is that it sends the announcement right away versus two weeks prior to the event or something useful like that. However, we still use the site exclusively for calendars, leadership, and lesson lists + we use it to schedule the use of our whitewater rafting equipment that is maintained by the stake (Lewiston, ID). Thanks for the post on this specific issue :-) > > In another learning curve that went off the cliff (twice): > > 1. If you set up a repeating event for, say, every 3rd Sunday, with a > start date of January 1st and an end date of December 31st, because you > figure the computer is smart enough to figure out when the 3rd Sunday is > without you having to look it up, and then you send a broadcast message > to the unit, the broadcast message will say that the event will take > place on January 1st, which is not the 3rd Sunday. I should have known > better than to send the message anyway, because 26 of them bounced. > > 2. If you happen to stumble into the unit to make some leadership > changes and notice that there are two notifications to approve, and it > is late at night, along with the recurring 3rd Sunday event you will > approve a Christmas social that took place last week, and will broadcast > e-mail it to all the members, and get another 26 messages back from the > land of the bouncing ISP. Those few who actually get the message will > be amused, as well. They the person who submitted it will wonder why > you canceled it without ever posting it. And silly me, I thought as > administrator that I was supposed to get an e-mail when there were > notifications to approve. > > Two for two, eh? > > Which is why we do not use the local unit websites for very much at all. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jeremy at jkslade.net Wed Dec 26 02:37:28 2007 From: jeremy at jkslade.net (Jeremy Slade) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 03:37:28 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Donation-in-kind Message-ID: <477212C8.4080606@jkslade.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Someone who is not a member of the church donated some equipment to our Boy Scout troup, and would like to have that recognized as a charitable contribution for tax purposes. As the ward clerk, I haven't yet figured out how to handle this. I would appreciate your input :) To be able to give him an official statement of taxable contribution, I believe I have to record the donation in MLS somehow. I have a Donations-in-Kind Record form, but that doesn't really seem to fit this situation -- that form really seems more suited to stocks/securities that are redeemable for cash. The form also requires defining the distribution of the donation -- assigning the cash value to certain categories (tithing, fast offering, missionary, other ...) Since this donation is of equipment that will not be redeemed for an equivalent cash value, it can't see how it would be correct to record the cash value in any category in MLS. Perhaps I just need to contact the Donations-in-Kind Office? Again, all I think I need to worry about is how to generate the right documentation for this person to document his charitable contribution for tax purposes. Is there more to it than that? Thanks, Jeremy >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 04:04:13 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 05:04:13 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Donation-in-kind In-Reply-To: <477212C8.4080606@jkslade.net> References: <477212C8.4080606@jkslade.net> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I would contact SLC/area office for details on how this should be handled. When dealing with tax law, it's not something you want to guess at. The Church believes in forgiveness. That's not necessarily the policy of the IRS/taxing authority. On Dec 25, 2007 10:37 PM, Jeremy Slade wrote: > > Someone who is not a member of the church donated some equipment to our > Boy Scout troup, and would like to have that recognized as a charitable > contribution for tax purposes. As the ward clerk, I haven't yet figured > out how to handle this. I would appreciate your input :) > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From ebvance at cox.net Wed Dec 26 09:53:56 2007 From: ebvance at cox.net (E. Blaine Vance) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:53:56 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Donation-in-kind In-Reply-To: <477212C8.4080606@jkslade.net> Message-ID: <20071226155414.TJXQ22811.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. This doesn't appear to be a donation to the church, but to the Scout Troop. Doesn't that make it a different circumstance than a donation to the church? Goodwill and DI just give a receipt saying goods were donated while putting the onus on the donor to list and place a value on the items. Wouldn't a letter signed by the Bishop (as sponsoring organization head) or Scoutmaster acknowledging the gift accomplish the same thing? -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Slade Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 1:37 AM To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Jeremy Slade Subject: LDSC: Donation-in-kind >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Someone who is not a member of the church donated some equipment to our Boy Scout troup, and would like to have that recognized as a charitable contribution for tax purposes. As the ward clerk, I haven't yet figured out how to handle this. I would appreciate your input :) To be able to give him an official statement of taxable contribution, I believe I have to record the donation in MLS somehow. I have a Donations-in-Kind Record form, but that doesn't really seem to fit this situation -- that form really seems more suited to stocks/securities that are redeemable for cash. The form also requires defining the distribution of the donation -- assigning the cash value to certain categories (tithing, fast offering, missionary, other ...) Since this donation is of equipment that will not be redeemed for an equivalent cash value, it can't see how it would be correct to record the cash value in any category in MLS. Perhaps I just need to contact the Donations-in-Kind Office? Again, all I think I need to worry about is how to generate the right documentation for this person to document his charitable contribution for tax purposes. Is there more to it than that? Thanks, Jeremy >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From tlwalker at nethere.com Wed Dec 26 10:06:05 2007 From: tlwalker at nethere.com (Tom Walker) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:06:05 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Donation-in-kind In-Reply-To: <477212C8.4080606@jkslade.net> References: <477212C8.4080606@jkslade.net> Message-ID: <47727BED.8060308@nethere.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I believe it should be handled by the Local BSA council. Don't they provide receipts for those doing Eagle projects? Tom Walker El Cajon Calif Stake Granite Hills Ward Jeremy Slade wrote: > >> From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription >> instructions and list URL. > > Someone who is not a member of the church donated some equipment to > our Boy Scout troup, and would like to have that recognized as a > charitable contribution for tax purposes. As the ward clerk, I > haven't yet figured out how to handle this. I would appreciate your > input :) > > To be able to give him an official statement of taxable contribution, > I believe I have to record the donation in MLS somehow. I have a > Donations-in-Kind Record form, but that doesn't really seem to fit > this situation -- that form really seems more suited to > stocks/securities that are redeemable for cash. > > The form also requires defining the distribution of the donation -- > assigning the cash value to certain categories (tithing, fast > offering, missionary, other ...) Since this donation is of equipment > that will not be redeemed for an equivalent cash value, it can't see > how it would be correct to record the cash value in any category in MLS. > > Perhaps I just need to contact the Donations-in-Kind Office? Again, > all I think I need to worry about is how to generate the right > documentation for this person to document his charitable contribution > for tax purposes. Is there more to it than that? > > > Thanks, > Jeremy > >> From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From don_fairchild at byu.edu Wed Dec 26 10:18:13 2007 From: don_fairchild at byu.edu (Don Fairchild) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:18:13 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Donation-in-kind In-Reply-To: <477212C8.4080606@jkslade.net> References: <477212C8.4080606@jkslade.net> Message-ID: <4772975CE1FA44478B61F33DE0E3A63386E7908BD0@harrow.exch.ad.byu.edu> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Jeremy wrote: Someone who is not a member of the church donated some equipment to our Boy Scout troup, and would like to have that recognized as a charitable contribution for tax purposes. As the ward clerk, I haven't yet figured out how to handle this. I would appreciate your input :) Not too long ago, we had someone donate a new trailer to a ward (for the use of the scout troop) and were requesting similar information. I called the MLS help line at Church HQ and navigated to the Donations-In-Kind menu item (currently press 2 then 4). I talked with Kelly Onstott there. She said that we needed to have the bishop send Church HQ a letter stating the date of the donation and that the equipment was helpful to the ward along with a detailed description which should include the value of the item. The bishop should also include the donor's legal name, address, and possibly phone number just in case there is a need for the Church to contact them. The Donations-In-Kind unit will then generate a letter to the donor which may then be used for tax purposes. Kelly said that the letter should be sent to: Donations In Kind Rm 1514 50 E North Temple Salt Lake City UT 84150 Keep in mind that this was for a new trailer. I don't know if the answer would be different if it was for a couple of sleeping bags. I believe that there is a fine, yet important, point here. The donation that I am talking about was a donation of a trailer to the ward for the use of the scouts. The donor intended for the trailer to be used for the scout troop, but wouldn't have had a problem if the ward had chosen to use it for other purposes, say for the Young Women's program or for whatever other use the ward might have. In your case, is the same true? Was the donation to the scout troop and would the donor be really bent out of shape if the ward were to choose to use the equipment for a different purpose? If the donation was not made to the Church, then the Church would probably not be involved. You can probably get some clarification by calling the Donations-In-Kind unit if that is the case. I hope this information is helpful. Don 801-420-0609 >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jeffp at jeffszone.com Wed Dec 26 19:29:07 2007 From: jeffp at jeffszone.com (Jeff Phillips) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:29:07 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Donation-in-kind In-Reply-To: <477212C8.4080606@jkslade.net> References: <477212C8.4080606@jkslade.net> Message-ID: <50e74d5a0712261729v3c407d33s230b11c0c3fb9c1b@mail.gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Just type up something appropriate on unit letter-head and have the bishop sign it. Do not declare a cash value. Simply itemize what was donated. It is up to the donor to declare how much it is supposedly worth on their tax return on their own. -Jeff On 12/26/07, Jeremy Slade wrote: > > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > Someone who is not a member of the church donated some equipment to our > Boy Scout troup, and would like to have that recognized as a charitable > contribution for tax purposes. As the ward clerk, I haven't yet figured > out how to handle this. I would appreciate your input :) > > To be able to give him an official statement of taxable contribution, I > believe I have to record the donation in MLS somehow. I have a > Donations-in-Kind Record form, but that doesn't really seem to fit this > situation -- that form really seems more suited to stocks/securities > that are redeemable for cash. > > The form also requires defining the distribution of the donation -- > assigning the cash value to certain categories (tithing, fast offering, > missionary, other ...) Since this donation is of equipment that will > not be redeemed for an equivalent cash value, it can't see how it would > be correct to record the cash value in any category in MLS. > > Perhaps I just need to contact the Donations-in-Kind Office? Again, all > I think I need to worry about is how to generate the right documentation > for this person to document his charitable contribution for tax > purposes. Is there more to it than that? > > > Thanks, > Jeremy > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jeremy at jkslade.net Thu Dec 27 23:54:43 2007 From: jeremy at jkslade.net (Jeremy Slade) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:54:43 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Donation-in-kind In-Reply-To: <50e74d5a0712261729v3c407d33s230b11c0c3fb9c1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <477212C8.4080606@jkslade.net> <50e74d5a0712261729v3c407d33s230b11c0c3fb9c1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47748FA3.7050703@jkslade.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I received multiple responses that suggest the following -- write up a letter on letter-head and have the bishop sign it. I spoke with someone at the Donations-in-Kind office today, and they immediately said the IRS would not recognize such a letter as a valid 'receipt' for a charitable contribution. This person told me that since the equipment was donated to the troop, the matter really should be handled by the BSA. Our YM president is going to find out who to contact in our local council. But for certain, this is not something that should be considered a donation-in-kind, and should not be tracked via MLS. Jeremy Jeff Phillips wrote: >>From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > Just type up something appropriate on unit letter-head and have the > bishop sign it. Do not declare a cash value. Simply itemize what was > donated. It is up to the donor to declare how much it is supposedly > worth on their tax return on their own. > > -Jeff > > > > On 12/26/07, Jeremy Slade wrote: >> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. >> >> Someone who is not a member of the church donated some equipment to our >> Boy Scout troup, and would like to have that recognized as a charitable >> contribution for tax purposes. As the ward clerk, I haven't yet figured >> out how to handle this. I would appreciate your input :) >> >> To be able to give him an official statement of taxable contribution, I >> believe I have to record the donation in MLS somehow. I have a >> Donations-in-Kind Record form, but that doesn't really seem to fit this >> situation -- that form really seems more suited to stocks/securities >> that are redeemable for cash. >> >> The form also requires defining the distribution of the donation -- >> assigning the cash value to certain categories (tithing, fast offering, >> missionary, other ...) Since this donation is of equipment that will >> not be redeemed for an equivalent cash value, it can't see how it would >> be correct to record the cash value in any category in MLS. >> >> Perhaps I just need to contact the Donations-in-Kind Office? Again, all >> I think I need to worry about is how to generate the right documentation >> for this person to document his charitable contribution for tax >> purposes. Is there more to it than that? >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From tlwalker at nethere.com Fri Dec 28 10:54:01 2007 From: tlwalker at nethere.com (Tom Walker) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:54:01 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Donation-in-kind In-Reply-To: <47748FA3.7050703@jkslade.net> References: <477212C8.4080606@jkslade.net> <50e74d5a0712261729v3c407d33s230b11c0c3fb9c1b@mail.gmail.com> <47748FA3.7050703@jkslade.net> Message-ID: <47752A29.5000403@nethere.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Well I wish you good luck with BSA. I tried some time back making inquires for a boy about contribution receipts his Eagle project and finally got fed up with evasive answers and being shuffled form one office to another and gave up. Fortunately the kid did get the materials for his project but NO thanks to the Local BSA. Tom Walker Jeremy Slade wrote: > > I received multiple responses that suggest the following -- write up a > letter on letter-head and have the bishop sign it. I spoke with > someone at the Donations-in-Kind office today, and they immediately > said the IRS would not recognize such a letter as a valid 'receipt' > for a charitable contribution. > > This person told me that since the equipment was donated to the troop, > the matter really should be handled by the BSA. Our YM president is > going to find out who to contact in our local council. > > But for certain, this is not something that should be considered a > donation-in-kind, and should not be tracked via MLS. > > > Jeremy >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. 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