From jguest at brazoriainet.com  Sun Jul  1 10:27:03 2007
From: jguest at brazoriainet.com (Jim Guest)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 11:27:03 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: MLS log-in timeout duration
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> Does anyone know (or know how to find out) how long the timeout is on 
> the MLS login?
 -------------------------------

Mine was less than 15 minutes. I don't know how much less.

Jim G 


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From wa7jos at xmission.com  Sun Jul  1 11:00:33 2007
From: wa7jos at xmission.com (Chuck Johnson)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:00:33 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
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I received a call this morning from a clerk who was trying to print out 
a report of current recommend holders in preparation for the changeover 
to the new bar coded recommends.  Apparently the "Current Recommend 
Holders" report has been replaced by a Recommend Validation Report (or 
something similarly named) and he is unable to run this report even 
though he has full administrative privileges.  He gets an error message 
that says the user has insufficient privileges to access the report.  
 From what he tells me, the "Current Recommend Holder" report no longer 
exists.  Has anyone else run into this?  How do we get a list of current 
recommend holders?

I assume that stakes will be receiving some new equipment to scan in 
these recommends and "validate" them.  Wards in our stake have received 
new recommend books, but I haven't heard anything from the stake about 
installing anything.  I know this system has been deployed elsewhere.  
What can I expect?  Does the lack of this "validation report" have 
something to do with no one being validated yet, since we're just 
getting started.

Chuck Johnson


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From don at colton.byuh.edu  Sun Jul  1 11:37:15 2007
From: don at colton.byuh.edu (Don Colton)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:37:15 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
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I got the same thing.  Go into the menu where you assign rights.
There are two new checkboxes.  One is to view TR data and the other is
to edit it.  I was able to check the "view" box but not the edit box,
based on my administrator rights.  Then I had to log out and log in
again.  Then I could view the TR reports.  Don

   Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 10:00:33 -0600
   From: Chuck Johnson <wa7jos at xmission.com>

   I received a call this morning from a clerk who was trying to print
   out a report of current recommend holders in preparation for the
   changeover to the new bar coded recommends.  Apparently the
   "Current Recommend Holders" report has been replaced by a Recommend
   Validation Report (or something similarly named) and he is unable
   to run this report even though he has full administrative
   privileges.  He gets an error message that says the user has
   insufficient privileges to access the report.  From what he tells
   me, the "Current Recommend Holder" report no longer exists.  Has
   anyone else run into this?  How do we get a list of current
   recommend holders?


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From drepouille at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  1 15:06:01 2007
From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:06:01 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
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The stake will receive a bar code scanner, which is really nothing more than
an alternate keyboard. It sits in its cradle, and you plug it into a USB
port. It comes with a small driver CD, but I'm not sure if it's even needed.

When you scan a bar code (ANY bar code), the characters are sent to the
computer as if you had typed them on the keyboard. Therefore, you COULD
activate the new TRs using the keyboard alone.

Dana


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From drepouille at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  1 15:20:27 2007
From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:20:27 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
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In conjunction with the new recommends, there is now a Temple Entry System
web site. Stake Presidency members can login to this web site to activate
TRs, cancel TRs, or mark TRs as lost or stolen. Therefore, the bar code
scanner in the stake clerk's office is not absolutely necessary, since they
can be activated from anywhere via the TES web site.

Dana

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From lajacksn at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 15:57:17 2007
From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:57:17 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: MLS log-in timeout duration
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Doug Jenson:

Does anyone know (or know how to find out)
how long the timeout is . . .

_______________

I am wondering, for those who have installed Desktop 5.5, if the 
security settings there have a timeout, or if the timeout is still an 
item that can be adjusted by the administrator.

It will be another week or more before I get to a 5.5 installation, 
unless the creek rises some more.

Larry Jackson



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From cwha at ldskc.org  Sun Jul  1 16:27:52 2007
From: cwha at ldskc.org (Chuck Anderson)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:27:52 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: MLS log-in timeout duration
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Theoretically, anything can be adjusted by the Administrator.  BUT,  
SLC has instructed us to NOT change the "Clerk" password that comes  
with Desktop 5.5.
I guess we could change the timeout value, or make it never time out,  
without getting into trouble.

Chuck Anderson
cwha at ldskc.org



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Doug Jenson:

Does anyone know (or know how to find out)
how long the timeout is . . .

_______________

I am wondering, for those who have installed Desktop 5.5, if the  
security settings there have a timeout, or if the timeout is still an  
item that can be adjusted by the administrator.

It will be another week or more before I get to a 5.5 installation,  
unless the creek rises some more.

Larry Jackson



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From allen.dreher at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 16:46:32 2007
From: allen.dreher at gmail.com (allen dreher)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:46:32 -0400
Subject: LDSC: MLS log-in timeout duration
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I've not experienced any time out periods. The only issue with one of the
units is that they were entering in the wrong password and it locked them
out after a few tries. So far, so good for us here.

Allen Dreher
Ward Clerk, 1st Ward
San Antonio Texas Stake

On 6/30/07, Doug Jenson <jensondd at ida.net> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know (or know how to find out) how long the timeout is on
> the MLS login?
>
> Shortly after going to the new version, one of the counselors in the
> bishopric tried to log in under the old password conditions, and was
> unsuccessful multiple times.  He asked me to try, and it became
> obvious that there is a timeout involved.  We called the stake guy,
> and he wasn't even aware that there was a timeout.  We gave up, went
> to choir practice for about an hour, came back, and were in business.
>
> Last week the elder's quorum president called me, having done the
> same thing.  I told him he would have to wait, but I was not able to
> tell him how long.  If he tried it too soon, it would be even
> longer.  Don't know if he accomplished anything that evening or not.
>
> Not being a tremendously patient sort, I'm interested in finding out
> if anyone else knows what the timeout period is?
>
> Doug Jenson, clerk
> Idaho Falls, ID
>


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From allen.dreher at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 16:48:45 2007
From: allen.dreher at gmail.com (allen dreher)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:48:45 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
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We're behind on the curve ball here. Our unit computer is still running
Windows 2000 Professional (we have the oldest computer in our stake). Since
we don't have the desktop 5.5 installed (due to old computer and lack of
memory) I have not noticed anything. Not much help here.

Allen Dreher
Ward Clerk, 1st Ward
San Antonio Texas Stake

On 7/1/07, Chuck Johnson <wa7jos at xmission.com> wrote:
>
> I received a call this morning from a clerk who was trying to print out
> a report of current recommend holders in preparation for the changeover
> to the new bar coded recommends.  Apparently the "Current Recommend
> Holders" report has been replaced by a Recommend Validation Report (or
> something similarly named) and he is unable to run this report even
> though he has full administrative privileges.  He gets an error message
> that says the user has insufficient privileges to access the report.
> From what he tells me, the "Current Recommend Holder" report no longer
> exists.  Has anyone else run into this?  How do we get a list of current
> recommend holders?
>
> I assume that stakes will be receiving some new equipment to scan in
> these recommends and "validate" them.  Wards in our stake have received
> new recommend books, but I haven't heard anything from the stake about
> installing anything.  I know this system has been deployed elsewhere.
> What can I expect?  Does the lack of this "validation report" have
> something to do with no one being validated yet, since we're just
> getting started.
>
> Chuck Johnson
>


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From allen.dreher at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 16:52:31 2007
From: allen.dreher at gmail.com (allen dreher)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:52:31 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: MLS log-in timeout duration
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I know when I was setting up the computers with the desktop 5.5, I would
establish another administrative username and password so that the "clerk"
username and password would not be used. Basically I put that on the back
burner. I would use the unit's name as the username and use the unit's name
followed by the number 1 for the password. It had full administrative
privileges. That seemed to be an easy way for logging in. Of course the unit
could change it to whatever they wanted to later, but this way the "clerk"
log in was not messed with.

Allen Dreher
Ward Clerk, 1st Ward
San Antonio Texas Stake

On 6/30/07, Larry Jackson <lajacksn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Doug Jenson:
>
> Does anyone know (or know how to find out) how long the timeout is on
> the MLS login?
>
> . . . after going to the new version, one of the counselors in the
> bishopric tried to log in under the old password conditions, . . .
>
> Last week the elder's quorum president called me, having done the same
> thing.
>
> _______________
>
> Sounds as if the timeout was less than an hour.  [grin]
>
> There is not a timeout on the MLS login.  It appears as if the counselor
> and the elders quorum president did not know the new Clerk login
> password and were locked out of the desktop.
>
> Go to Control Panel / Administrative Tools / Local Security Settings .
>
> In the left pane, under Account Policies, select Account Lockout Policy.
>
> In the right pane, double click on Account Lockout Threshold.  Set it to
> zero.  The login will not lockout after an invalid login attempt.
>
> Larry Jackson
>


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From wa7jos at xmission.com  Sun Jul  1 18:15:37 2007
From: wa7jos at xmission.com (Chuck Johnson)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 19:15:37 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
In-Reply-To: <200707011637.l61GbFJd002254@colton.byuh.edu>
References: <4687CFA1.6010509@xmission.com> <200707011637.l61GbFJd002254@colton.byuh.edu>
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Thanks Don and Dana for the help. 

I haven't heard from the ES that reported the problem, so I have to 
assume this resolved it.

It SURE would be nice if the folks at CHQ actually TOLD us about changes!

I brought up the stake MLS this afternoon (no messages about this 
change).  The stake version DOES have a recommend "edit" function, 
whereas the ward version does not. That's probably why the "edit" 
checkbox is grayed out on the ward version.

The stake has also NOT received a scanner or upgraded keyboard, so they 
have the cart before the horse again.  Bishops all received new 
recommend books and instructions this week.  The next self inflicted 
"crisis" will be the stake catching up to the wards who start re-issuing 
new recommends.

I checked my unit this morning, It still had the "old" menu items.  I 
did a send/receive, closed and relaunched MLS, and it STILL had the old 
menu items.  Perhaps they no longer download updates on Sunday, in which 
case, ours will NEVER get updated because Sunday is the only day our 
clerk gets on.

Chuck Johnson


Don Colton wrote:
> I got the same thing.  Go into the menu where you assign rights.
> There are two new checkboxes.  One is to view TR data and the other is
> to edit it.  I was able to check the "view" box but not the edit box,
> based on my administrator rights.  Then I had to log out and log in
> again.  Then I could view the TR reports.


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From drepouille at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  1 18:38:27 2007
From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 19:38:27 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
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I said the bar code scanner is "really nothing more than an alternate
keyboard." I did not say you would receive an "upgraded keyboard."

I'm sure the scanner orders go through completely different channels, so who
knows when your stake will receive their scanner. Then again, as I said, you
don't absolutely have to have a scanner, because you can enter the TR number
via the keyboard.

PLEASE tell your stake presidency to check each TR closely when they
activate each one. Make SURE the name, MRN, and sex are correct. We found
that several bishops were marking the new TRs incorrectly. It's easy to get
confused when you process so many at once.

Dana

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The stake has also NOT received a scanner or upgraded keyboard, so they have
the cart before the horse again.  Bishops all received new recommend books
and instructions this week.  The next self inflicted "crisis" will be the
stake catching up to the wards who start re-issuing new recommends.


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From jerryrose at cox.net  Sun Jul  1 18:44:18 2007
From: jerryrose at cox.net (Jerry Rose)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 19:44:18 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
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References: <4687CFA1.6010509@xmission.com> <200707011637.l61GbFJd002254@colton.byuh.edu> <46883599.4080404@xmission.com>
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That is correct. Under the new bar coded recommend system, the wards cannot
make any changes to recommed info.  Recommends are activated, canceled or
revoked only in the stake MLS.
___________________________
Jerry Rose
A Stake Clerk in Nebraska


Chuck Johnson:
>
>I brought up the stake MLS this afternoon (no messages about this change).
The stake
>version DOES have a recommend "edit" function, whereas the ward version
does not. 
>That's probably why the "edit" checkbox is grayed out on the ward version.



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From russellhltn at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 19:29:30 2007
From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 20:29:30 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: MLS log-in timeout duration
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I remembered the timeout as being 15 minutes.  Seems like something
most people can live with.

The purpose of the time-out is to prevent someone from getting into
the computer by guessing the password.  With no time-out, you can
guess as long as you want or until you hit upon the password.  With
the current time-out system, you only get a few tries at a time.  And
more then likely it will come to the attention of someone.  ("Hey, why
is the computer locked out?")

Bottom line, disabling the time-out weakens the security on the
computer.  At the same time, I don't see the current policy as all
that burdensome.

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From ldsskier at rusticate.net  Sun Jul  1 20:06:27 2007
From: ldsskier at rusticate.net (Skier)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 21:06:27 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: MLS log-in timeout duration
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References: <20070618.185942.2372.0.lajackson@juno.com>	 <200707010042.l610gWfe017199@mormonstoday.propagation.net>	 <46870680.3030703@gmail.com> <a0a0e1510707011729q4dad50advc1e4a4d200f93ea1@mail.gmail.com>
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Russell Hltn wrote:

> The purpose of the time-out is to prevent someone from getting into
> the computer by guessing the password.

Considering the other policies, this is a completely useless policy that
is far more hassle than the minuscule security that it still fails to
provide.

> Bottom line, disabling the time-out weakens the security on the
> computer.

Much as locking the door when the wall is missing.

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From tlwalker at nethere.com  Sun Jul  1 23:08:20 2007
From: tlwalker at nethere.com (Tom Walker)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 00:08:20 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
In-Reply-To: <4687CFA1.6010509@xmission.com>
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Actually I ran into that just this morning. And while it told me that I 
didn't have privileges when I clocked on the Preview Button on the 
bottom of the MLS screen it brought up the Report and I could print it.
We also just received the New Recommends this morning and I was in the 
Right place at the right time and have mine issued and signed.
The system apparently is not going into full effect for about 4 months 
as that is the deadline assigned by Salt Lake to have ALL recommend 
holders updated. I would not expect any Stake Bar Code readers but 
expect it to be manually entered into a special screen on the Stake MLS 
system.
As as a side note we put in Recommend updates done last week into the 
computer and it accepted it and transmitted to Salt Lake. And also the 
San Diego Temple has their Bar Code equipment at the recommend desk 
awaiting the Official Start of the New program in our Area.

Tom Walker
El Cajon Calif Stake
Granite Hills Ward Clerk

Chuck Johnson wrote:
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> I received a call this morning from a clerk who was trying to print 
> out a report of current recommend holders in preparation for the 
> changeover to the new bar coded recommends.  Apparently the "Current 
> Recommend Holders" report has been replaced by a Recommend Validation 
> Report (or something similarly named) and he is unable to run this 
> report even though he has full administrative privileges.  He gets an 
> error message that says the user has insufficient privileges to access 
> the report.  From what he tells me, the "Current Recommend Holder" 
> report no longer exists.  Has anyone else run into this?  How do we 
> get a list of current recommend holders?
>
> I assume that stakes will be receiving some new equipment to scan in 
> these recommends and "validate" them.  Wards in our stake have 
> received new recommend books, but I haven't heard anything from the 
> stake about installing anything.  I know this system has been deployed 
> elsewhere.  What can I expect?  Does the lack of this "validation 
> report" have something to do with no one being validated yet, since 
> we're just getting started.
>
> Chuck Johnson
>
>
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From tlwalker at nethere.com  Sun Jul  1 23:20:55 2007
From: tlwalker at nethere.com (Tom Walker)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 00:20:55 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: MLS log-in timeout duration
In-Reply-To: <a0a0e1510707011729q4dad50advc1e4a4d200f93ea1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070618.185942.2372.0.lajackson@juno.com>	 <200707010042.l610gWfe017199@mormonstoday.propagation.net>	 <46870680.3030703@gmail.com> <a0a0e1510707011729q4dad50advc1e4a4d200f93ea1@mail.gmail.com>
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What is all this FUSS about Security for the Computer itself?? Have 
people Lost control of their Clerks Office?
Seems to me the limited access to the office should prevent to much 
playing around. And if one is caught playing games etc simply take their 
Clerks office key away.

Tom Walker

> Bottom line, disabling the time-out weakens the security on the
> computer.  At the same time, I don't see the current policy as all
> that burdensome.

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From wa7jos at xmission.com  Sun Jul  1 23:58:53 2007
From: wa7jos at xmission.com (Chuck Johnson)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 00:58:53 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
In-Reply-To: <46887A34.8070502@nethere.com>
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Tom Walker wrote:
> I would not expect any Stake Bar Code readers but expect it to be 
> manually entered into a special screen on the Stake MLS system.

Without a scanner at the stake, what's the point?  Barcodes reduce 
errors.  If the clerk types in the number, you're asking for trouble.
My stake ES called me tonight to let me know the bar code scanner HAD 
arrived, AND that I was being RELEASED! (Yahoo, yippee)
I looked at the stake screens.  It looks like you have to type in the 
last 4 digits of the membership number, scan the barcode, and enter the 
ISSUE date (which will be the ORIGINAL issue date before the swap. 

I visited the Billings and Denver temples last summer.  They were 
already using barcoded recommends in both places and gave us funny looks 
because ours didn't have them.

Chuck Johnson


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From embunker817 at msn.com  Mon Jul  2 00:39:39 2007
From: embunker817 at msn.com (Eric Bunker)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 01:39:39 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
References: <4687CFA1.6010509@xmission.com> <46887A34.8070502@nethere.com>
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Our stake received the bar code scanner this week with implementation instructions.  All the bishops received the new recommend books.  We also set up ourselves with the correct internet connection so that we can also do recommend activations via that method without having to go down to the stake offices.  This will be important for the last minute "foolish virgin" recommends that are often asked for outside of normal stake office times.

Eric 

Clerk
Queen Creek Arizona Stake
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tom Walker<mailto:tlwalker at nethere.com> 
  To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com<mailto:ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com> 
  Cc: Chuck Johnson<mailto:wa7jos at xmission.com> ; Tom Walker<mailto:tlwalker at nethere.com> 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:08 PM
  Subject: Re: LDSC: Bar coded recommends



  

  Actually I ran into that just this morning. And while it told me that I 
  didn't have privileges when I clocked on the Preview Button on the 
  bottom of the MLS screen it brought up the Report and I could print it.
  We also just received the New Recommends this morning and I was in the 
  Right place at the right time and have mine issued and signed.
  The system apparently is not going into full effect for about 4 months 
  as that is the deadline assigned by Salt Lake to have ALL recommend 
  holders updated. I would not expect any Stake Bar Code readers but 
  expect it to be manually entered into a special screen on the Stake MLS 
  system.
  As as a side note we put in Recommend updates done last week into the 
  computer and it accepted it and transmitted to Salt Lake. And also the 
  San Diego Temple has their Bar Code equipment at the recommend desk 
  awaiting the Official Start of the New program in our Area.

  Tom Walker
  El Cajon Calif Stake
  Granite Hills Ward Clerk

  Chuck Johnson wrote:
 
> I received a call this morning from a clerk who was trying to print 
  > out a report of current recommend holders in preparation for the 
  > changeover to the new bar coded recommends.  Apparently the "Current 
  > Recommend Holders" report has been replaced by a Recommend Validation 
  > Report (or something similarly named) and he is unable to run this 
  > report even though he has full administrative privileges.  He gets an 
  > error message that says the user has insufficient privileges to access 
  > the report.  From what he tells me, the "Current Recommend Holder" 
  > report no longer exists.  Has anyone else run into this?  How do we 
  > get a list of current recommend holders?
  >
  > I assume that stakes will be receiving some new equipment to scan in 
  > these recommends and "validate" them.  Wards in our stake have 
  > received new recommend books, but I haven't heard anything from the 
  > stake about installing anything.  I know this system has been deployed 
  > elsewhere.  What can I expect?  Does the lack of this "validation 
  > report" have something to do with no one being validated yet, since 
  > we're just getting started.
  >
  > Chuck Johnson
  >
  >
  >> 

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From embunker817 at msn.com  Mon Jul  2 00:43:08 2007
From: embunker817 at msn.com (Eric Bunker)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 01:43:08 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
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I will be imputing 1700 recommend over the next three or four months.  I am glad for a bar code scanner, especially since I have problems remembering number strings longer than 4 digits.

Eric 

Clerk
Queen Creek Arizona Stake
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  From: Chuck Johnson<mailto:wa7jos at xmission.com> 
  To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com<mailto:ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com> 
  Cc: Chuck Johnson<mailto:wa7jos at xmission.com> 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:58 PM
  Subject: Re: LDSC: Bar coded recommends



 Tom Walker wrote:
  > I would not expect any Stake Bar Code readers but expect it to be 
  > manually entered into a special screen on the Stake MLS system.

  Without a scanner at the stake, what's the point?  Barcodes reduce 
  errors.  If the clerk types in the number, you're asking for trouble.
  My stake ES called me tonight to let me know the bar code scanner HAD 
  arrived, AND that I was being RELEASED! (Yahoo, yippee)
  I looked at the stake screens.  It looks like you have to type in the 
  last 4 digits of the membership number, scan the barcode, and enter the 
  ISSUE date (which will be the ORIGINAL issue date before the swap. 

  I visited the Billings and Denver temples last summer.  They were 
  already using barcoded recommends in both places and gave us funny looks 
  because ours didn't have them.

  Chuck Johnson




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From allen.dreher at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 09:26:33 2007
From: allen.dreher at gmail.com (allen dreher)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:26:33 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
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This all great information to us in San Antonio. We don't have the new
temple recommends as of yet, at least not in our ward. This information is
great to know. I've been passing it along to the Stake Clerk so that he can
update the Stake President so that we can avoid some of the glitches. Thanks
a bunch.

Allen Dreher
Ward Clerk, 1st Ward
San Antonio Texas Stake

On 7/1/07, Dana Repouille <drepouille at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> In conjunction with the new recommends, there is now a Temple Entry System
> web site. Stake Presidency members can login to this web site to activate
> TRs, cancel TRs, or mark TRs as lost or stolen. Therefore, the bar code
> scanner in the stake clerk's office is not absolutely necessary, since
> they
> can be activated from anywhere via the TES web site.
>
> Dana
>
-- 
Allen Dreher

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."


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From lajacksn at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 19:24:08 2007
From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:24:08 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Bar coded recommends
In-Reply-To: <4688860D.6000707@xmission.com>
References: <4687CFA1.6010509@xmission.com> <46887A34.8070502@nethere.com> <4688860D.6000707@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <46899728.9020909@gmail.com>


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Chuck Johnson:

I visited the Billings and Denver temples last summer.  They were 
already using barcoded recommends in both places and gave us funny looks 
because ours didn't have them.

_______________

Billings was one of the two test temples.  Am I to gather that this is 
now being rolled out Church-wide (or at least US-wide)?

Larry Jackson


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From russellhltn at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 20:05:10 2007
From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 21:05:10 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-DAV2176B772C9654216D3C3CF60D0@phx.gbl>
References: <4687CFA1.6010509@xmission.com> <46887A34.8070502@nethere.com>
	 <BAY107-DAV2176B772C9654216D3C3CF60D0@phx.gbl>
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>>> We also set up ourselves with the correct internet connection so
that we can also do recommend activations via that method without
having to go down to the stake offices.  This will be important for
the last minute "foolish virgin" recommends that are often asked for
outside of normal stake office times. <<<

Can you elaborate?  What is being connected?

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From computerdoctor at stx.rr.com  Mon Jul  2 21:22:24 2007
From: computerdoctor at stx.rr.com (Wayne Rogers)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:22:24 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
References: <4d7709f30707020726t55ed7102jc4a82a7231813222@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601c7bd18$fefbad40$0201a8c0@ComputerDoc>


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I agree this is good information.  San Antonio is our temple too.

I noted a few weeks ago that  the temple recommend area was different after 
a download. As I checked it out I found the extra checkoffs in the user 
rights area.  I checked them and I could get into the areas to enter data. 
It thought that was cool, and printed all the help information for future 
reference.  The following week, all that disappeared, and everything was 
back to normal.  I suspect that Headquarters can turn on or off the barcode 
recommend feature.  We have not heard anything official out here.  All this 
discussion on the barcodes came after I saw it appear on our computer.

Wayne Rogers, Eagle Pass TX District clerk
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "allen dreher" <allen.dreher at gmail.com>
To: <ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com>
Cc: "Dana Repouille" <drepouille at hotmail.com>; "allen dreher" 
<allen.dreher at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: LDSC: Bar coded recommends


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>
> This all great information to us in San Antonio. We don't have the new
> temple recommends as of yet, at least not in our ward. This information is
> great to know. I've been passing it along to the Stake Clerk so that he 
> can
> update the Stake President so that we can avoid some of the glitches. 
> Thanks
> a bunch.
>
> Allen Dreher
> Ward Clerk, 1st Ward
> San Antonio Texas Stake
>


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From jerryrose at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 21:54:51 2007
From: jerryrose at cox.net (Jerry Rose)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:54:51 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
In-Reply-To: <002601c7bd18$fefbad40$0201a8c0@ComputerDoc>
References: <4d7709f30707020726t55ed7102jc4a82a7231813222@mail.gmail.com> <002601c7bd18$fefbad40$0201a8c0@ComputerDoc>
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Wayne Rogers wrote:

>I suspect that Headquarters can turn on or off the barcode recommend
feature.  

Yes, we stakes that have been in the pilot since Oct 2005 have been getting
the same MLS updates you have, except that we've had the extra functionality
to deal with the new recommends.

___________________________
Jerry Rose
A Stake Clerk in Nebraska


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From embunker817 at msn.com  Mon Jul  2 22:00:11 2007
From: embunker817 at msn.com (Eric Bunker)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:00:11 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
Message-ID: <BAY107-DAV66FF6515FEC9449CF420AF60C0@phx.gbl>


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Easy.  In the instructions that they mail, They give you a website to go to and if you appear on the CDOL, you and log in and set up an account.  A stake clerk or a member of the presidency can do this using the same login as the CDOL
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Russell Hltn<mailto:russellhltn at gmail.com> 
  To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com<mailto:ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com> 
  Cc: Russell Hltn<mailto:russellhltn at gmail.com> 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:05 PM
  Subject: Re: LDSC: Bar coded recommends



  >>> We also set up ourselves with the correct internet connection so
  that we can also do recommend activations via that method without
  having to go down to the stake offices.  This will be important for
  the last minute "foolish virgin" recommends that are often asked for
  outside of normal stake office times. <<<

  Can you elaborate?  What is being connected?



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From embunker817 at msn.com  Mon Jul  2 22:02:23 2007
From: embunker817 at msn.com (Eric Bunker)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:02:23 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
Message-ID: <BAY107-DAV745E7501D9F5B2E95F882F60C0@phx.gbl>


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I think that everyone got the download for MLS as a general upgrade.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wayne Rogers<mailto:computerdoctor at stx.rr.com> 
  To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com<mailto:ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com> 
  Cc: Wayne Rogers<mailto:computerdoctor at stx.rr.com> 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:22 PM
  Subject: Re: LDSC: Bar coded recommends



  I agree this is good information.  San Antonio is our temple too.

  I noted a few weeks ago that  the temple recommend area was different after 
  a download. As I checked it out I found the extra checkoffs in the user 
  rights area.  I checked them and I could get into the areas to enter data. 
  It thought that was cool, and printed all the help information for future 
  reference.  The following week, all that disappeared, and everything was 
  back to normal.  I suspect that Headquarters can turn on or off the barcode 
  recommend feature.  We have not heard anything official out here.  All this 
  discussion on the barcodes came after I saw it appear on our computer.

  Wayne Rogers, Eagle Pass TX District clerk
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "allen dreher" <allen.dreher at gmail.com<mailto:allen.dreher at gmail.com>>
  To: <ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com<mailto:ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com>>
  Cc: "Dana Repouille" <drepouille at hotmail.com<mailto:drepouille at hotmail.com>>; "allen dreher" 
  <allen.dreher at gmail.com<mailto:allen.dreher at gmail.com>>
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:26 AM
  Subject: Re: LDSC: Bar coded recommends


  >
  > This all great information to us in San Antonio. We don't have the new
  > temple recommends as of yet, at least not in our ward. This information is
  > great to know. I've been passing it along to the Stake Clerk so that he 
  > can
  > update the Stake President so that we can avoid some of the glitches. 
  > Thanks
  > a bunch.
  >
  > Allen Dreher
  > Ward Clerk, 1st Ward
  > San Antonio Texas Stake
  >




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From embunker817 at msn.com  Mon Jul  2 22:03:03 2007
From: embunker817 at msn.com (Eric Bunker)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:03:03 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Bar coded recommends
Message-ID: <BAY107-DAV16EF4D3C54D8C71ABE8908F60C0@phx.gbl>


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We never heard anything until the scanner and the recommend books showed up
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  From: Wayne Rogers<mailto:computerdoctor at stx.rr.com> 
  To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com<mailto:ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com> 
  Cc: Wayne Rogers<mailto:computerdoctor at stx.rr.com> 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:22 PM
  Subject: Re: LDSC: Bar coded recommends



  I agree this is good information.  San Antonio is our temple too.

  I noted a few weeks ago that  the temple recommend area was different after 
  a download. As I checked it out I found the extra checkoffs in the user 
  rights area.  I checked them and I could get into the areas to enter data. 
  It thought that was cool, and printed all the help information for future 
  reference.  The following week, all that disappeared, and everything was 
  back to normal.  I suspect that Headquarters can turn on or off the barcode 
  recommend feature.  We have not heard anything official out here.  All this 
  discussion on the barcodes came after I saw it appear on our computer.

  Wayne Rogers, Eagle Pass TX District clerk
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "allen dreher" <allen.dreher at gmail.com<mailto:allen.dreher at gmail.com>>
  To: <ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com<mailto:ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com>>
  Cc: "Dana Repouille" <drepouille at hotmail.com<mailto:drepouille at hotmail.com>>; "allen dreher" 
  <allen.dreher at gmail.com<mailto:allen.dreher at gmail.com>>
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:26 AM
  Subject: Re: LDSC: Bar coded recommends


  > This all great information to us in San Antonio. We don't have the new
  > temple recommends as of yet, at least not in our ward. This information is
  > great to know. I've been passing it along to the Stake Clerk so that he 
  > can
  > update the Stake President so that we can avoid some of the glitches. 
  > Thanks
  > a bunch.
  >
  > Allen Dreher
  > Ward Clerk, 1st Ward
  > San Antonio Texas Stake
  >




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From russellhltn at gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 05:17:02 2007
From: russellhltn at gmail.com (RussellHltn)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:17:02 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: MLS log-in timeout duration
In-Reply-To: <46884F93.1030404@rusticate.net>
References: <20070618.185942.2372.0.lajackson@juno.com>	 <200707010042.l610gWfe017199@mormonstoday.propagation.net>	 <46870680.3030703@gmail.com> <a0a0e1510707011729q4dad50advc1e4a4d200f93ea1@mail.gmail.com> <46884F93.1030404@rusticate.net>
Message-ID: <000001c7bd5b$4d869e10$6401a8c0@cciclass4>


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>>> Considering the other policies, this is a completely useless policy that
is far more hassle than the minuscule security that it still fails to
provide.
... 
Much as locking the door when the wall is missing. <<<


How so?  I've got my own issues with the security, but if someone can't
figure out the right password in 6 tries, maybe they shouldn't be messing
with the machine.  If someone can't log in, the options are quite limited.
The only other way in is to use external boot media.  To use your analogy,
it's a smashable window, not a missing wall.  That's a different kind of
criminal.

I checked our Desktop 5.5 machine - 6 tries will lock you out for 15
minutes.


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From russellhltn at gmail.com  Tue Jul  3 15:42:19 2007
From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:42:19 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: LDSC: Re: MLS log-in timeout duration
In-Reply-To: <85C24D89924143A0B7F5E43080FEF2E6@thomasi8xblgbf>
References: <20070618.185942.2372.0.lajackson@juno.com>
	 <200707010042.l610gWfe017199@mormonstoday.propagation.net>
	 <46870680.3030703@gmail.com>
	 <a0a0e1510707011729q4dad50advc1e4a4d200f93ea1@mail.gmail.com>
	 <46884F93.1030404@rusticate.net>
	 <000001c7bd5b$4d869e10$6401a8c0@cciclass4>
	 <85C24D89924143A0B7F5E43080FEF2E6@thomasi8xblgbf>
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Just to note, the desktop 5.5 instructions specifically said not to
change the password.  The system is set up to reject passwords that
are not at least 8 characters in length.  (which would explain why the
password changed in 5.5 - the old password was too short.)

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From don at colton.byuh.edu  Wed Jul  4 15:44:46 2007
From: don at colton.byuh.edu (Don Colton)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 16:44:46 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Palm Software
Message-ID: <200707042044.l64KikiT012789@colton.byuh.edu>


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Aloha.  I see that I can download membership information from MLS in
Palm format.  My casual search has not turned up the software I would
need to use this on my Palm PDA.  Can anyone give guidance?  Thanks!
Don


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From russellhltn at gmail.com  Wed Jul  4 16:20:06 2007
From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 17:20:06 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Palm Software
In-Reply-To: <200707042044.l64KikiT012789@colton.byuh.edu>
References: <200707042044.l64KikiT012789@colton.byuh.edu>
Message-ID: <a0a0e1510707041420v3ded7141v8565f6f2605d881c@mail.gmail.com>


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I believe the "Palm Format" is a format that will place the
information directly into your Palm's Address application.  However
most of us like to keep our personal contacts separate from our ward
list. <g>

There are some applications out there.  There's one called "Ward Info"
but I seem to have trouble googling it.


On 7/4/07, Don Colton <don at colton.byuh.edu> wrote:
>
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>
> Aloha.  I see that I can download membership information from MLS in
> Palm format.  My casual search has not turned up the software I would
> need to use this on my Palm PDA.  Can anyone give guidance?  Thanks!
> Don
>
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From cwha at ldskc.org  Wed Jul  4 16:20:45 2007
From: cwha at ldskc.org (Chuck Anderson)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 17:20:45 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Palm Software
In-Reply-To: <200707042044.l64KikiT012789@colton.byuh.edu>
References: <200707042044.l64KikiT012789@colton.byuh.edu>
Message-ID: <9AF72AA9-7064-4D6C-8177-65DA986B0FC7@ldskc.org>


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You don't need any additional software at all -- When you export from  
MLS it exports to .csv format.
You can "import" that directly into your Palm Contacts list on the  
Palm Desktop program.
The thing to do is to create a new "category" in your Contacts -- one  
for PalmFamily and another for PalmIndividual.
When you export from MLS you get five choices as to what to export --  
I choose "Palm Family Data" and "Palm Individual Data".
The first gives you names, addresses, phone numbers and ages, so you  
can look up the most common information on your Palm.
The second gives you detail ordinance data, which I mainly use to get  
a person's Membership Record Number and Confirmation Date, so they  
can get registered on the Stake & Ward Web Site, or on the  
new.FamilySearch.org website.

Then, after "importing" the two .csv files into the two new  
"categories" mentioned above, perform the HotSync.
The information is now in your contacts list and you pick which  
category to view in the top-right corner of the screen on the Palm.

Chuck Anderson
cwha at ldskc.org



On Jul 4, 2007, at 3:44 PM, Don Colton wrote:


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Aloha.  I see that I can download membership information from MLS in
Palm format.  My casual search has not turned up the software I would
need to use this on my Palm PDA.  Can anyone give guidance?  Thanks!
Don


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From clerk at m2safford.net  Thu Jul  5 07:55:52 2007
From: clerk at m2safford.net (Stake Clerk)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:55:52 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Palm Software
In-Reply-To: <a0a0e1510707041420v3ded7141v8565f6f2605d881c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA3aDhVG0taU+PNPB0g45XS8KAAAAQAAAA7trVylBcfUC4IAfjKvDmLQEAAAAA@m2safford.net>


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http://hcgl.eng.ohio-state.edu/~mills/WardInfo/WardInfo.html

Great Program.  However it is best used in conjunction with Isilo, which
costs about $20 to license for a PDA.

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Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 2:20 PM
To: ldsclerks at mormonstoday.com
Cc: Russell Hltn
Subject: Re: LDSC: Palm Software

There are some applications out there.  There's one called "Ward Info"
but I seem to have trouble googling it.



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From klarsen at MormonsToday.com  Thu Jul  5 16:16:45 2007
From: klarsen at MormonsToday.com (Kent S. Larsen II)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 17:16:45 -0400
Subject: LDSC: URGENT LIST POLICY & LDSClerks List Policies and Instructions
Message-ID: <a06200700c2b30887c5bb@[192.168.1.102]>


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We still have a significant problem with list members who send messages in
html and other "rich text" formats. Every time I get one of these messages
I have to edit it and remove the problematic material.

Since, I assume, this is because list members simply don't know how to
change their mailer to send plain text instead of the default "rich text"
options, I thought I'd send a link that may help:

http://www.expita.com/nomime.html

Please, please don't make me spend my time correcting the messages just
because you don't want to take the time to send messages in plain text!!


List members also aren't trimming posts very well. Please, at least remove
the header and footer automatically inserted. The following lines are the
header and footer. If you don't remove them, they are duplicated and end up
appearing multiple times in the message. This one appears at the top of
every message:

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And this one appears at the bottom of every message:

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From lajacksn at gmail.com  Thu Jul  5 19:27:11 2007
From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:27:11 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Bar coded recommends
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-DAV745E7501D9F5B2E95F882F60C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY107-DAV745E7501D9F5B2E95F882F60C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <468D8C5F.2060504@gmail.com>


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The bar code feature has been in MLS for quite some time.  I think Salt 
Lake can toggle it on or off, but the code and the files have been there 
for over a year.

Larry Jackson

__

Eric Bunker wrote:
 > I think that everyone got the download for MLS as a general upgrade.



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From Steve.Neeland at ingrambook.com  Fri Jul  6 09:00:31 2007
From: Steve.Neeland at ingrambook.com (Neeland, Steve)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:00:31 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Bar coded recommends
In-Reply-To: <468D8C5F.2060504@gmail.com>
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I checked last night under the rights for an MLS user on our Ward system
and there is no check box to allow/deny this ability yet.  Since we're
not in barcode-mode anyhow I plan on sleeping good regardless....

Steve
 

-----Original Message-----
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The bar code feature has been in MLS for quite some time.  I think Salt 
Lake can toggle it on or off, but the code and the files have been there

for over a year.

Larry Jackson

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Eric Bunker wrote:
 > I think that everyone got the download for MLS as a general upgrade.



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From combblai at isu.edu  Fri Jul  6 10:21:44 2007
From: combblai at isu.edu (Blair Combs)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:21:44 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Palm Software
Message-ID: <468E5E08.1080405@isu.edu>


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In my opinion, the best software for the palm is Ward Tools found at
www.ldstools.com .
They also have a Lite version that is free. However, the one time $30
cost for the full version is well worth it.
Both Ward and Stake MLS download files are supported as well as both
palm and windows mobile devices.
If you have one of the Treo phones, they are also supported. Cool stuff!
-- 
Blair Combs
Pocatello Highland 11th Ward



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From ldsskier at rusticate.net  Wed Jul 11 06:07:03 2007
From: ldsskier at rusticate.net (Skier)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:07:03 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Computers on back order
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The FM people claim that the reason why a system requested in May won't
be here until at least the end of July is because "computers are on back
order".  Has anybody else ordered/received a system since May?

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From allen.dreher at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 16:09:30 2007
From: allen.dreher at gmail.com (allen dreher)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 17:09:30 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Computers on back order
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Our unit has not had a new computer since, oh, about 5 years ago. We are
still running with Windows 2000 Professional while the other units in the
stake are using XP OS. We are trying to acquire a new one.

Allen

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>
> The FM people claim that the reason why a system requested in May won't
> be here until at least the end of July is because "computers are on back
> order".  Has anybody else ordered/received a system since May?
>
>

-- 
Allen Dreher

"At some deep level, consciously or unconsciously, you have to want to be
joyful."
- Thomas Kinkade


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From ldsskier at rusticate.net  Fri Jul 13 21:11:39 2007
From: ldsskier at rusticate.net (Skier)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:11:39 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
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Does the stake president have the authority to retain a system for
redeployment within the stake (after being wiped) instead of being sent
back?  Does anybody have hard documentation one way or the other?

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From tlwalker at nethere.com  Fri Jul 13 22:02:22 2007
From: tlwalker at nethere.com (Tom Walker)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:02:22 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
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The instructions on that is in the Policy memo. I don't have the current 
copy but in the previous copy the only rule on redeployment was that 
they could not be added to a Family History Library. But as I recall any 
other use in a stake was OK. As an example we have one in our Ward that 
was redeployed for out Family History Teacher to use in her class.

Tom Walker
Granite Hills Ward
El Cajon Calif Stake

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From russellhltn at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 23:17:09 2007
From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:17:09 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
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Redeployed where?  Sent back where?  By the time we get done with
machines, no body else wants them. :/

The administrative machines can be moved around.  All of them should
meet the specs to run MLS.

Ex-administrative machines can be moved into the FHC, but it not to
increase the count of computers in the FHC.

I think pulling machines from the FHC to become administrative is
kinda frowned upon, especially if the machine is one the church sent
out to be used in a FHC.

For details you'll have to find the current computer policy.  There's
two of them.  One each for the administrative and FHC machines.





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From ldsskier at rusticate.net  Sat Jul 14 09:24:28 2007
From: ldsskier at rusticate.net (Skier)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:24:28 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
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Here is the current situation:

Two wards needed new machines.  Machine #1 arrived and was deployed,
with the old machine brought back to the stake center to await redeployment.

Machine #2 arrived (after being "backordered" for two months) but FM
didn't tell anybody that it was in until they were specifically asked,
when they said they would not deliver the new machine until the PC
swapped out from the other ward was sent back to Dell and they (FM) had
the "disposal certificate" in their hands.  Until then, the 2nd ward can
suck a lemon because they aren't getting their new machine.

The stake president told them that he wanted to redeploy the machine
elsewhere in the stake and they replied that if he had a problem with it
he should call SLC, but they don't have to deliver the new machine until
they are good and ready.

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From lajacksn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 10:06:33 2007
From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 11:06:33 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
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According to the March 2005 guidelines, the stake president, through his 
stake technology specialist (an assistant stake clerk), now has two 
options when it comes to getting rid of an administrative computer that 
is no longer under warranty.

He may dispose of it properly according to local laws, or he may flow it 
to the FHC.  If he flows it to the FHC, it must replace an existing 
computer, not add to the number of computers in the FHC.  The replaced 
FHC computer is then disposed of properly according to local laws.

Of course, since the guidelines were published, there have been two 
years to work through the changes, and there may be other newer policies 
in place that have not yet made it into print.

Our FM group seems to be easier to work with.  At the very least, they 
seem to have some semblance of an understanding that the stake president 
may actually have a clue as to what should happen in these kinds of 
situations.

I have never heard of a "disposal certificate" coming from Dell when a 
computer is returned to them for disposal.  Is this is a new procedure?

Larry Jackson

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Skier wrote:

 > Machine #1
 > Machine #2
 > the "disposal certificate"
 > suck a lemon
 > The stake president



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From drepouille at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 14 11:44:37 2007
From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:44:37 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
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New as of three years ago when we received a dozen new Dells for all our
clerks. Funny thing is, I've never used them. 

I either recycle the computers to the FHCs, or I wipe them and give them to
members for family history work. If all else fails, I pull all reusable
parts from them and take them to the city dump. Every Spring, my city
conducts a cleanup operation, where they open up three collection sites
throughout the city. This is much better than shipping them to Dell or
paying a local salvage company to take them off my hands.

Dana 

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I have never heard of a "disposal certificate" coming from Dell when a
computer is returned to them for disposal.  Is this is a new procedure?

Larry Jackson


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From russellhltn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 14:18:56 2007
From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:18:56 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
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>>> Every Spring, my city conducts a cleanup operation, where they
open up three collection sites  throughout the city. This is much
better than shipping them to Dell or  paying a local salvage company
to take them off my hands.<<<

I don't know what your annual city cleanup is like, but "better" is a
subjective term.  Less hassle?  No doubt.  More cost effective to the
church?  Maybe.  (The Church has probably already paid.  It's probably
Dell that gets any cost benefit.)  Legal?  Depends on local laws.
Better for the environment?  If it's going to the landfill - Probably
not.  There is concern that some of the chemicals (such as lead -
which is used in solder and tons of in CRTs) may leech into the ground
water.

My disposal preferences (in order):

 - Replace older admin computer
 - Cycle out machine in FHC
 - Give to member in need
 - Give to another charity (if one will take it)
 - Local salvage who will take it for free
 - Return to Dell
 - Local salvage who will take it for a fee
 - Landfill

It's also possible that the FM Group will want to replace an admin
computer in another stake.  In that case, they probably fall somewhere
just before or after "Cycle out machine in FHC".

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From russellhltn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 14:31:07 2007
From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:31:07 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
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> The stake president told them that he wanted to redeploy the machine
> elsewhere in the stake and they replied that if he had a problem with it
> he should call SLC, but they don't have to deliver the new machine until
> they are good and ready.

If the plan is to replace a computer in the FHC, send that computer
back for disposal.  (The guidelines prohibit using ex-admin machines
from increasing the FHC's count.)

Since the old machine has reached it's "dispose by" status, it
probably shouldn't be used to replace another admin machine.
(although you could probably do the same thing and send the replaced
machine back.)

If this is being used to somehow add to the number of admin machines
(such as getting a unit onto their own machine) then there's probably
another procedure to go though.  I suspect the FM group doesn't want
to suddenly be responsible for MORE admin machines then they were
originally authorized for.  I'm not sure as the stake president has
the authority to authorize more machines without some kind of approval
from above.

If this machine is to go to some inventive new use, such as in the
library, then it's probably technically against policy.

The other possibility is to get a "certificate" as to where the
machine went.  The purpose to be is to show it didn't just go into the
dumpster.  (Which may be against local laws.)


In any case, the advice to call SLC is a good one.

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From drepouille at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 14 14:41:03 2007
From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:41:03 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
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Interesting. We are in the process of absorbing a small ward in an adjacent
stake into our stake. At the same time, we are creating a YSA branch in our
stake. One would think that we could use the computer from the defunct ward
in the new branch's office.

However, I am told no.

Dana 

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It's also possible that the FM Group will want to replace an admin computer
in another stake.  In that case, they probably fall somewhere just before or
after "Cycle out machine in FHC".


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From lajacksn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 14:48:06 2007
From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:48:06 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
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Hehehe.  Just thought of something.  Before you send it back, take out 
the memory stick, if compatible, and put it in one of the remaining 
computers.

Larry Jackson



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From lajacksn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 14:59:52 2007
From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 15:59:52 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
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Dana Repouille:

One would think that we could use the computer from the defunct ward in 
the new branch's office.

However, I am told no.

_______________

Theoretically, the computer from the defunct ward would be returned to 
FM by that stake, and the new YSA branch in your stake would get a new 
computer from FM.

Just a theory, mind you.

Larry Jackson



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From ldsskier at rusticate.net  Sat Jul 14 15:18:16 2007
From: ldsskier at rusticate.net (Skier)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:18:16 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
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Russell Hltn wrote:

> Since the old machine has reached it's "dispose by" status, it
> probably shouldn't be used to replace another admin machine.

Which it hasn't.  The "old" machine is maybe a year old, having been
donated to the ward fairly recently.

Local FM is just a major pain to deal with.  When one of the wards was
burglarized it has taken them 9 months (and counting) to replace the
doorknob on the ward clerk's office.  I suspect they are still smarting
after I went over their heads to get this replacement machine in the
first place because they always maintained that they didn't have to
cycle in a new admin machine until they felt like it.

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From lajacksn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 15:53:32 2007
From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:53:32 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
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Skier wrote:

The "old" machine is maybe a year old, having been donated to the ward 
fairly recently.

_______________

Now that we have another big piece of the story, as it were, I can see 
your trouble.  Yes, FM will be miffed that you took a donated computer 
(not allowed) and used it in the ward as an administrative machine. 
Salt Lake will be miffed with you, as well.

When FM said they would not cycle in a new admin machine until they felt 
like it, were they offering you a used admin machine?  They should at 
least have done that.

That said, I have come to learn that there is a sure fire, 100% way to 
get computer assistance of any kind, hardware or software, when you 
really need it.  Do not transmit.

If you go two weeks without sending a financial deposit, red flags go up 
in Salt Lake.  They may not necessarily do something about it, but the 
flags to up.  And you can raise the flag, as well.

If your computer was stolen, and FM did not replace it, or said they 
would not, it would only have taken one phone call to Salt Lake to 
resolve the matter, if that was the story and you told Salt Lake that 
was the story.  You would have had another computer from SL or from FM 
almost immediately.

Unless, of course, we still do not have all of the story.  [grin]

But when you need a computer to function, and you quietly announce that 
you can no longer transmit, folks will drop what they are doing to help 
you get that problem resolved, as long as you are following all of the 
proper procedures and calling it like it is.

Believe me.  I know from personal experience and have the names and 
numbers to prove it.


Larry Jackson


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From lajacksn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 16:01:23 2007
From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:01:23 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Door knobs (Re: Computer re-deployment vs disposal)
In-Reply-To: <46992F88.2020201@rusticate.net>
References: <469830DB.6050707@rusticate.net>	 <a0a0e1510707132117x68be811blc9de9f6682cd6597@mail.gmail.com>	 <4698DC9C.6040000@rusticate.net> <a0a0e1510707141231t39644266qbb5322d9139bc04@mail.gmail.com> <46992F88.2020201@rusticate.net>
Message-ID: <469939A3.8060308@gmail.com>


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Skier wrote:

it has taken them 9 months (and counting) to replace the doorknob on the 
ward clerk's office.

_______________

Must be the same crew that is still working on our building restroom 
remodeling, and has been for nearly a year.  At least we got out of the 
port-a-potty in the parking lot mode after about four months of winter. 
  But we are still 10 months into the project and not complete.

They are overworked, understaffed, and hardly paid at all.  That is why 
we members get to go up each week and clean, so the building will look 
nice for Sunday meetings.

Larry Jackson


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From ldsskier at rusticate.net  Sat Jul 14 16:45:20 2007
From: ldsskier at rusticate.net (Skier)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:45:20 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
In-Reply-To: <469937CC.2040802@gmail.com>
References: <469830DB.6050707@rusticate.net>	 <a0a0e1510707132117x68be811blc9de9f6682cd6597@mail.gmail.com>	 <4698DC9C.6040000@rusticate.net> <a0a0e1510707141231t39644266qbb5322d9139bc04@mail.gmail.com> <46992F88.2020201@rusticate.net> <469937CC.2040802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <469943F0.6060701@rusticate.net>


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Larry Jackson wrote:

> Now that we have another big piece of the story, as it were, I can see
> your trouble.  Yes, FM will be miffed that you took a donated computer
> (not allowed) and used it in the ward as an administrative machine. Salt
> Lake will be miffed with you, as well.

The machine was accepted/installed before I came on the scene, back
before such things were prohibited, as far as I can tell.  The machine
might be even older than that, but is actually in spec as opposed to the
machine that REALLY needs to be replaced, which isn't even at 1GHz in
speed.  I don't know why the other ward was swapped out, the machine
just arrived one day.

> When FM said they would not cycle in a new admin machine until they felt
> like it, were they offering you a used admin machine?  They should at
> least have done that.

No.  They said that the ward that was under the minimum specs was just
going to have to wait as they get new machines every three years,
period, and it didn't matter that the new MLS wouldn't run on the old
equipment.  I had to appeal to SLC, which eventually overrode the local
FM to even order the new machine, which is now being held hostage.

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From lajacksn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 17:08:13 2007
From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 18:08:13 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
In-Reply-To: <469943F0.6060701@rusticate.net>
References: <469830DB.6050707@rusticate.net>	 <a0a0e1510707132117x68be811blc9de9f6682cd6597@mail.gmail.com>	 <4698DC9C.6040000@rusticate.net> <a0a0e1510707141231t39644266qbb5322d9139bc04@mail.gmail.com> <46992F88.2020201@rusticate.net> <469937CC.2040802@gmail.com> <469943F0.6060701@rusticate.net>
Message-ID: <4699494D.7070908@gmail.com>


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Skier wrote:

They said that the ward that was under the minimum specs was just going 
to have to wait as they get new machines every three years, period, and 
it didn't matter that the new MLS wouldn't run on the old equipment.

_______________

Well, there goes their credibility.  It's every five years, but don't 
tell them that or they might actually make you wait.  [grin]

I guess, as long as you have an under-spec box that cannot do the job, 
everyone will have plenty of time to go to Sunday School.  Maybe you 
will even run into the stake president there.  Good luck.

Larry Jackson



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From russellhltn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 21:28:21 2007
From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 22:28:21 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
In-Reply-To: <469943F0.6060701@rusticate.net>
References: <469830DB.6050707@rusticate.net>
	 <a0a0e1510707132117x68be811blc9de9f6682cd6597@mail.gmail.com>
	 <4698DC9C.6040000@rusticate.net>
	 <a0a0e1510707141231t39644266qbb5322d9139bc04@mail.gmail.com>
	 <46992F88.2020201@rusticate.net> <469937CC.2040802@gmail.com>
	 <469943F0.6060701@rusticate.net>
Message-ID: <a0a0e1510707141928u343cde10l62d9ac97a2e19bf1@mail.gmail.com>


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As I understand it, machines are to be swapped out on a 5 year
schedule - unless they fail minimum specs.  In that case they probably
are to be swapped out immediately.

However, I think, the issue is budget.  I believe the current
situation is machines comes out of one of FM's pockets.  So you've
ended up caught between a policy and an accountant.  A modern day
version of a rock and a hard place.



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>
> The machine was accepted/installed before I came on the scene, back
> before such things were prohibited, as far as I can tell.  The machine
> might be even older than that, but is actually in spec as opposed to the
> machine that REALLY needs to be replaced, which isn't even at 1GHz in
> speed.  I don't know why the other ward was swapped out, the machine
> just arrived one day.
>
>
> No.  They said that the ward that was under the minimum specs was just
> going to have to wait as they get new machines every three years,
> period, and it didn't matter that the new MLS wouldn't run on the old
> equipment.  I had to appeal to SLC, which eventually overrode the local
> FM to even order the new machine, which is now being held hostage.
>

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From russellhltn at gmail.com  Sun Jul 15 04:28:07 2007
From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 05:28:07 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Church adds support for STS calling
Message-ID: <a0a0e1510707150228r7c8310e2lb549493bfe3b04cb@mail.gmail.com>


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Stake Technology Specialists, rejoice!

The church has added some resources to the website.  I'd post the URL
but it's long and ugly.

 - Goto lds.org
 - Click on "Serving in the Church".  Do NOT use the flyout menu.
 - Hover over "Melchizedek Priesthood" and you'll see "Stake
Technology Specialist" on the flyout menu.

You'll find good stuff on the site including current computer
policies, troubleshooting tips, etc.

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From bordenjr at knology.net  Sun Jul 15 06:30:48 2007
From: bordenjr at knology.net (Mitch Borden)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 07:30:48 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Computer re-deployment vs disposal
In-Reply-To: <46992F88.2020201@rusticate.net>
References: <469830DB.6050707@rusticate.net>
 <a0a0e1510707132117x68be811blc9de9f6682cd6597@mail.gmail.com>
 <4698DC9C.6040000@rusticate.net>
 <a0a0e1510707141231t39644266qbb5322d9139bc04@mail.gmail.com>
 <46992F88.2020201@rusticate.net>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070715072511.0387e220@knology.net>


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At 04:18 PM 7/14/2007, you wrote:

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>
>Russell Hltn wrote:
>
> > Since the old machine has reached it's "dispose by" status, it
> > probably shouldn't be used to replace another admin machine.
>
>Which it hasn't.  The "old" machine is maybe a year old, having been
>donated to the ward fairly recently.
>
>Local FM is just a major pain to deal with.  When one of the wards was
>burglarized it has taken them 9 months (and counting) to replace the
>doorknob on the ward clerk's office.  I suspect they are still smarting
>after I went over their heads to get this replacement machine in the
>first place because they always maintained that they didn't have to
>cycle in a new admin machine until they felt like it.

If your local FM group is being this much of a pain, find out from 
your Stake President or Stake Clerk who is responsible for doing the 
semi-annual audits on FM Group operations.  Talk to the auditor about 
their non-adherence to policy and you should soon see an attitude 
adjustment;  among the many other things I do is audit our FM Group 
operations -- and, while our own FM Group staff has always done 
everything they could do for the three stakes in their area, I find 
they do respond a little faster when Stake Presidents ask me to look 
into something during the next audit.  The raises your FM group 
Manager and staff get depend to a large extent on the customer 
satisfaction ratings that are submitted by the Stake Presidents, so 
be sure to discuss your problem with your Stake President, too.

Mitch Borden 


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From ldsskier at rusticate.net  Sun Jul 15 09:07:33 2007
From: ldsskier at rusticate.net (Skier)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:07:33 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Church adds support for STS calling
In-Reply-To: <a0a0e1510707150228r7c8310e2lb549493bfe3b04cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0a0e1510707150228r7c8310e2lb549493bfe3b04cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <469A2A25.9010005@rusticate.net>


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Russell Hltn wrote:

> - Click on "Serving in the Church".  Do NOT use the flyout menu.
> - Hover over "Melchizedek Priesthood" and you'll see "Stake
> Technology Specialist" on the flyout menu.
> 
> You'll find good stuff on the site including current computer
> policies, troubleshooting tips, etc.

I don't get a flyout when hovering over M.P. - can you please provide
the direct link?

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From cwha at ldskc.org  Sun Jul 15 10:53:03 2007
From: cwha at ldskc.org (Chuck Anderson)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 11:53:03 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Church adds support for STS calling
In-Reply-To: <469A2A25.9010005@rusticate.net>
References: <a0a0e1510707150228r7c8310e2lb549493bfe3b04cb@mail.gmail.com> <469A2A25.9010005@rusticate.net>
Message-ID: <20887C48-6284-4A80-AD27-8E1912E8BA29@ldskc.org>


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You must have not performed the FIRST step listed - i.e., "Click" on  
"Serving in the Church".
The next screen you get will allow you to see a flyout when you hover  
of M.P.

Chuck Anderson
cwha at ldskc.org



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Russell Hltn wrote:

> - Click on "Serving in the Church".  Do NOT use the flyout menu.
> - Hover over "Melchizedek Priesthood" and you'll see "Stake
> Technology Specialist" on the flyout menu.
>
> You'll find good stuff on the site including current computer
> policies, troubleshooting tips, etc.

I don't get a flyout when hovering over M.P. - can you please provide
the direct link?

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From avskip at gmail.com  Sun Jul 15 11:01:59 2007
From: avskip at gmail.com (Skip Taylor)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:01:59 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Church adds support for STS calling
In-Reply-To: <469A2A25.9010005@rusticate.net>
Message-ID: <fef0c250707150901h129e79ecvc2f663be585d963c@mail.gmail.com>


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I made this tinyurl link for it.  A really nice resource!!

*With a preview before transferring: http://preview.tinyurl.com/35pxn2*

*Without a preview - straight to the site: http://tinyurl.com/35pxn2*

On 7/15/07, Skier <ldsskier at rusticate.net> wrote:
>
> Russell Hltn wrote:
>
> > - Click on "Serving in the Church".  Do NOT use the flyout menu.
> > - Hover over "Melchizedek Priesthood" and you'll see "Stake
> > Technology Specialist" on the flyout menu.
> >
> > You'll find good stuff on the site including current computer
> > policies, troubleshooting tips, etc.
>
> I don't get a flyout when hovering over M.P. - can you please provide
> the direct link?
>
>


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From clerk at m2safford.net  Sun Jul 15 11:43:38 2007
From: clerk at m2safford.net (Stake Clerk)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:43:38 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Church adds support for STS calling
In-Reply-To: <469A2A25.9010005@rusticate.net>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA3aDhVG0taU+PNPB0g45XS8KAAAAQAAAAJT7FWoqDTkO/5Ml+hX3SYAEAAAAA@m2safford.net>


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http://tinyurl.com/35pxn2



-----Original Message-----
I don't get a flyout when hovering over M.P. - can you please provide
the direct link?



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From clerk at m2safford.net  Sun Jul 15 12:05:55 2007
From: clerk at m2safford.net (Stake Clerk)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:05:55 -0400
Subject: LDSC: MLS Membership Records
In-Reply-To: <a0a0e1510707150228r7c8310e2lb549493bfe3b04cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA3aDhVG0taU+PNPB0g45XS8KAAAAQAAAAh0L/FPYqI0itv4oSa0YNewEAAAAA@m2safford.net>


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The two paragraphs below are from MLS help. . .
Is that still how MLS works?  We're having trouble with ward and stake
records syncing, and are hoping if we have the wards use the "send
membership data to the stake" option regularly that some of our
discrepancies will go away. . .


The stake automatically receives any new membership data the ward has
transmitted each time the stake uses Send/Receive Changes. This does not,
however, include all data, such as some callings.
?
The stake president and stake clerk decide how often wards should send their
other membership data to the stake. Sending membership data to the stake
helps stake officers review activity and make decisions concerning wards.




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From cwha at ldskc.org  Sun Jul 15 12:14:52 2007
From: cwha at ldskc.org (Chuck Anderson)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:14:52 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Church adds support for STS calling
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA3aDhVG0taU+PNPB0g45XS8KAAAAQAAAAJT7FWoqDTkO/5Ml+hX3SYAEAAAAA@m2safford.net>
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA3aDhVG0taU+PNPB0g45XS8KAAAAQAAAAJT7FWoqDTkO/5Ml+hX3SYAEAAAAA@m2safford.net>
Message-ID: <018E5D7B-93FF-4CAF-8BED-9C6CA7E56045@ldskc.org>


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You will get the flyout if you follow the instructions -- i.e.,  
"CLICK" on "Serving in the Church".
That gives you another web page on which you will see the flyout when  
hovering over M.P.

Chuck Anderson
cwha at ldskc.org



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http://tinyurl.com/35pxn2



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I don't get a flyout when hovering over M.P. - can you please provide
the direct link?



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From lajacksn at gmail.com  Sun Jul 15 12:58:57 2007
From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 13:58:57 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Church adds support for STS calling
In-Reply-To: <018E5D7B-93FF-4CAF-8BED-9C6CA7E56045@ldskc.org>
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA3aDhVG0taU+PNPB0g45XS8KAAAAQAAAAJT7FWoqDTkO/5Ml+hX3SYAEAAAAA@m2safford.net> <018E5D7B-93FF-4CAF-8BED-9C6CA7E56045@ldskc.org>
Message-ID: <469A6061.9030005@gmail.com>


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The Church does not support some browsers still in use (Netscape, for 
example), and since the Church primarily uses IE, which is not standards 
compliant, all of the features are not available to those using browsers 
that are more compliant, such as Firefox.

When I say not standards compliant, I mean that M$ IE does things its 
own way, and sometimes ahead of the pack, and while the rest of the pack 
is catching up, trying to follow some semblance of order, some of the 
flyouts only work in IE and not in Firefox and other browsers.

The Church is getting better about it, but they still get a little 
uppity when I remark that all the world is not using IE and that there 
are standards out there.  It is almost as if they have never heard of 
that concept before, which I also find quite amusing.  But, hey, this 
job would not be any fun without a little humor from time to time.

Nevertheless, thanks for the link.  It is the only way some of us can 
get there from here, at least for now.

Larry Jackson


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From lajacksn at gmail.com  Sun Jul 15 13:23:01 2007
From: lajacksn at gmail.com (Larry Jackson)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:23:01 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: MLS Membership Records
In-Reply-To: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA3aDhVG0taU+PNPB0g45XS8KAAAAQAAAAh0L/FPYqI0itv4oSa0YNewEAAAAA@m2safford.net>
References: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA3aDhVG0taU+PNPB0g45XS8KAAAAQAAAAh0L/FPYqI0itv4oSa0YNewEAAAAA@m2safford.net>
Message-ID: <469A6605.2010604@gmail.com>


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Stake Clerk wrote:

Is that still how MLS works?  We're having trouble with ward and stake 
records syncing, . . .

_______________

The last time I asked (because, as far as I know, it it not printed 
anywhere), some things transmit to the stake as soon as the ward 
transmits, followed by the stake.  Other things do not.

When the ward selects Send to Stake, everything goes the next time the 
stake follows with their own S/R.

If the ward does not ever select Send to Stake, the stake still gets all 
of the information each month at the beginning of the month, usually 
during the first S/R of the month done by the stake.

So, the chances of being in sync are greater during the first part of 
the month.

Since we have 14 units and cannot usually handle a successful S/R at the 
stake anymore, we do not ask out units to use the Send to Stake option. 
  We just take our chances the first week of every month.  About two or 
three S/Rs usually does it.


Larry Jackson


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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:23:49 -0400
Subject: LDSC: Re: Church adds support for STS calling
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I use IE and the flyout works just fine.  The problem is, it points to
a older section that hasn't been updated.  If you click directly on
"serving in the church" you're taken to a newer "serving in the
church" section where the navigation has been updated. <shrug>


On 7/15/07, Larry Jackson <lajacksn at gmail.com> wrote:
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> The Church does not support some browsers still in use (Netscape, for
> example), and since the Church primarily uses IE, which is not standards
> compliant, all of the features are not available to those using browsers
> that are more compliant, such as Firefox.
>
> When I say not standards compliant, I mean that M$ IE does things its
> own way, and sometimes ahead of the pack, and while the rest of the pack
> is catching up, trying to follow some semblance of order, some of the
> flyouts only work in IE and not in Firefox and other browsers.
>
> The Church is getting better about it, but they still get a little
> uppity when I remark that all the world is not using IE and that there
> are standards out there.  It is almost as if they have never heard of
> that concept before, which I also find quite amusing.  But, hey, this
> job would not be any fun without a little humor from time to time.
>
> Nevertheless, thanks for the link.  It is the only way some of us can
> get there from here, at least for now.
>
> Larry Jackson
>
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