From joanealww at comcast.net Sat Jun 2 00:29:53 2007 From: joanealww at comcast.net (neal whiteford) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 01:29:53 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Administrative Action Form In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200706020526.l525QtKr000665@mormonstoday.propagation.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. This message sparked a question. As the ward clerk...How do I mark a members (make a note) record when they are disfellowhiped as a result of a recent disciplinary council. Hand book says the clerk is to indicate on the members record their new status so if the records are transferred a note will go along with them to the new ward...... How ??? Where?? Neal Whiteford Ward Clerk > > $$ > > $$ > $$ > $$Can someone post on the Yahoo! Groups site a clean .pdf of the > $$Administrative Action Form for removing a member's name from the > $$records? I see one for disciplinary action, but none for > $$administrative action. > $$ > $$Thanks. > $$ > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From rpyne at kinfolk.org Sat Jun 2 07:31:26 2007 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard Pyne) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 08:31:26 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Administrative Action Form In-Reply-To: <200706020526.l525QtKr000665@mormonstoday.propagation.net> References: , <200706020526.l525QtKr000665@mormonstoday.propagation.net> Message-ID: <46610EBE.2775.526A378@rpyne.kinfolk.org> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. You complete a "Report of Church Disciplinary Action" according to the instructions on the form. When it reaches the Office of the First Presidency, they will annotate the membership record. If you keep paper copies of the membership records, you should make a note on it showing the date of disfellowshipment. --Richard On 1 Jun 2007 at 22:29, neal whiteford wrote: > > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > >instructions and list URL. > > This message sparked a question. As the ward clerk...How do I mark a > members (make a note) record when they are disfellowhiped as a result of a > recent disciplinary council. Hand book says the clerk is to indicate on the > members record their new status so if the records are transferred a note > will go along with them to the new ward...... How ??? Where?? > > Neal Whiteford > Ward Clerk > > > > > > > $$ > > > > $$ > > $$ > > $$Can someone post on the Yahoo! Groups site a clean .pdf of the > > $$Administrative Action Form for removing a member's name from the > > $$records? I see one for disciplinary action, but none for > > $$administrative action. > > $$ > > $$Thanks. > > $$ > > > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From joanealww at comcast.net Sat Jun 2 14:01:39 2007 From: joanealww at comcast.net (neal whiteford) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 15:01:39 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Administrative Action Form In-Reply-To: <46610EBE.2775.526A378@rpyne.kinfolk.org> Message-ID: <200706021858.l52IwSt8004399@mormonstoday.propagation.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Richard, I was asking "how" and "where" to make changes following a Disc. counsel on the paper copy of the members record at the ward level. I have filled in the Disciplinary action report for the Stake/1st Prez. report. Where on MLS do you edit a members report to show the change of membership status to disfellowshiped? Neal Whiteford Ward Clerk Benson Hill 425-204-0719 > $$-----Original Message----- > $$From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner- > $$ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Richard Pyne > $$Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 5:31 AM > $$To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com > $$Cc: neal whiteford; Richard Pyne > $$Subject: RE: LDSC: Administrative Action Form > $$ > $$ > $$>From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > $$instructions and list URL. > $$ > $$You complete a "Report of Church Disciplinary Action" according to the > $$instructions on the form. When it reaches the Office of the First > $$Presidency, they will annotate the membership record. > $$ > $$If you keep paper copies of the membership records, you should make a > $$note > $$on it showing the date of disfellowshipment. > $$ > $$--Richard > $$ > $$On 1 Jun 2007 at 22:29, neal whiteford wrote: > $$ > $$> > $$> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > $$> >instructions and list URL. > $$> > $$> This message sparked a question. As the ward clerk...How do I mark a > $$> members (make a note) record when they are disfellowhiped as a result > $$of a > $$> recent disciplinary council. Hand book says the clerk is to indicate > $$on the > $$> members record their new status so if the records are transferred a > $$note > $$> will go along with them to the new ward...... How ??? Where?? > $$> > $$> Neal Whiteford > $$> Ward Clerk > $$> > $$> > $$> > $$> > > $$> > $$ > $$> > > $$> > $$ > $$> > $$ > $$> > $$Can someone post on the Yahoo! Groups site a clean .pdf of the > $$> > $$Administrative Action Form for removing a member's name from the > $$> > $$records? I see one for disciplinary action, but none for > $$> > $$administrative action. > $$> > $$ > $$> > $$Thanks. > $$> > $$ > $$> > > $$> > $$> > $$> >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > $$> See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > $$> > $$> Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > $$> To join: subscribe ldsclerks > $$> To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > $$> To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > $$> > $$> > $$ > $$ > $$ > $$>From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > $$See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > $$ > $$Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > $$To join: subscribe ldsclerks > $$To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > $$To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From mark_werner at byu.edu Sat Jun 2 14:14:46 2007 From: mark_werner at byu.edu (Mark Werner) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 15:14:46 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Administrative Action Form In-Reply-To: <200706021858.l52IwSt8004399@mormonstoday.propagation.net> References: <46610EBE.2775.526A378@rpyne.kinfolk.org> <200706021858.l52IwSt8004399@mormonstoday.propagation.net> Message-ID: <001301c7a54a$4885f510$d991df30$@edu> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. You don't. Salt Lake does it once the report reaches the First Presidency's office. The record will then be updated in your MLS. Mark Werner -----Original Message----- Richard, I was asking "how" and "where" to make changes following a Disc. counsel on the paper copy of the members record at the ward level. I have filled in the Disciplinary action report for the Stake/1st Prez. report. Where on MLS do you edit a members report to show the change of membership status to disfellowshiped? Neal Whiteford Ward Clerk Benson Hill 425-204-0719 > $$-----Original Message----- > $$ > $$You complete a "Report of Church Disciplinary Action" according to the > $$instructions on the form. When it reaches the Office of the First > $$Presidency, they will annotate the membership record. > $$ > $$If you keep paper copies of the membership records, you should make a > $$note > $$on it showing the date of disfellowshipment. > $$ > $$--Richard > $$ > $$On 1 Jun 2007 at 22:29, neal whiteford wrote: > $$ > $$> > $$> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > $$> >instructions and list URL. > $$> > $$> This message sparked a question. As the ward clerk...How do I mark a > $$> members (make a note) record when they are disfellowhiped as a result > $$of a > $$> recent disciplinary council. Hand book says the clerk is to indicate > $$on the > $$> members record their new status so if the records are transferred a > $$note > $$> will go along with them to the new ward...... How ??? Where?? > $$> > $$> Neal Whiteford > $$> Ward Clerk >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Sat Jun 2 15:59:19 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (RussellHltn) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 16:59:19 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Administrative Action Form In-Reply-To: <001301c7a54a$4885f510$d991df30$@edu> References: <46610EBE.2775.526A378@rpyne.kinfolk.org> <200706021858.l52IwSt8004399@mormonstoday.propagation.net> <001301c7a54a$4885f510$d991df30$@edu> Message-ID: <001301c7a558$e4c72530$6401a8c0@cciclass4> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Note that even when the record is updated, it will be hard to see. If I remember correctly, you just about have to print the record to see it. It's not on any screen. That's why it's important to at least preview if not print the membership records when they arrive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Mark Werner Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:15 AM To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Mark Werner Subject: RE: LDSC: Administrative Action Form >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. You don't. Salt Lake does it once the report reaches the First Presidency's office. The record will then be updated in your MLS. Mark Werner >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajackson at juno.com Sat Jun 2 18:20:04 2007 From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:20:04 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Administrative Action Form Message-ID: <20070602.182518.1832.0.lajackson@juno.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Russell Houlton Note that even when the record is updated, it will be hard to see. _______________ This is correct. After the record is updated, you will receive a new record from Salt Lake with one of your Send/Receives. The only way to see confidential information such as annotations or disciplinary status is to either print out the record, or view the record using print preview. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From tlwalker at nethere.com Sat Jun 2 18:51:58 2007 From: tlwalker at nethere.com (tlwalker at nethere.com) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:51:58 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Administrative Action Form In-Reply-To: <20070602.182518.1832.0.lajackson@juno.com> References: <20070602.182518.1832.0.lajackson@juno.com> Message-ID: <1180828318.4662029e358cc@webmail.nethere.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. At times I get thinking Previewing then al lis a bother and printing them is a wastew cof paper. Actualy my Bishop requested I DO NOT print his copy. BUT becasue of things like this it is Important. And when vever any record comes in annotated like tghast hte Bishop whshound be given veither notification of a copt of the record. Tom Walker Granite hills Ward. Quoting Larry Jackson : > > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > instructions and list URL. > > Russell Houlton > > Note that even when the record is updated, it will be hard to see. > > _______________ > > This is correct. After the record is updated, you will receive a > new record from Salt Lake with one of your Send/Receives. > > The only way to see confidential information such as annotations > or disciplinary status is to either print out the record, or view the > record using print preview. > > Larry Jackson > > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From embunker817 at msn.com Sat Jun 2 23:44:22 2007 From: embunker817 at msn.com (Eric Bunker) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:44:22 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Administrative Action Form Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. There are a number of items that can only be viewed by printing or printing to view the membership record. Annotations are one of them. ----- Original Message ----- From: RussellHltn To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: RussellHltn Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 1:59 PM Subject: RE: LDSC: Administrative Action Form Note that even when the record is updated, it will be hard to see. If I remember correctly, you just about have to print the record to see it. It's not on any screen. That's why it's important to at least preview if not print the membership records when they arrive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Mark Werner Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 9:15 AM To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Mark Werner Subject: RE: LDSC: Administrative Action Form You don't. Salt Lake does it once the report reaches the First Presidency's office. The record will then be updated in your MLS. Mark Werner ------ >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From bordenjr at knology.net Sun Jun 3 05:56:54 2007 From: bordenjr at knology.net (Mitch Borden) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:56:54 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Administrative Action Form In-Reply-To: <1180828318.4662029e358cc@webmail.nethere.net> References: <20070602.182518.1832.0.lajackson@juno.com> <1180828318.4662029e358cc@webmail.nethere.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070603065132.03798330@knology.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. At 07:51 PM 6/2/2007, you wrote: >Quoting Larry Jackson : > > > > > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > > instructions and list URL. > > > > Russell Houlton > > > > Note that even when the record is updated, it will be hard to see. > > > > _______________ > > > > This is correct. After the record is updated, you will receive a > > new record from Salt Lake with one of your Send/Receives. > > > > The only way to see confidential information such as annotations > > or disciplinary status is to either print out the record, or view the > > record using print preview. > > > > Larry Jackson Personally, whenever we conclude a Disciplinary Council where further action is going to be required from Church HQ, I make a hand notation on the member's Membership Record until the corrected copy becomes available through MLS. I may be old-fashioned, but I still maintain the old 4" notebook with a copy of every member's Membership Record, just for instances like this. I also print off every Membership Record that comes in and print updated copies whenever an MLS change takes place for any member's record. It may be wasting some paper, but I'm assured that all the records are as up-to-date as they can be maintained and are available in hard-copy format for when they need to be -- such as when a member of the Bishopric needs to access a member record while we're doing tithing receipts or printing checks, for example. Mitch Borden >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 13:20:23 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (RussellHltn) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:20:23 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Administrative Action Form In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003e01c7a6d5$051fe650$6401a8c0@cciclass4> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. What are some others? -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Eric Bunker Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 6:44 PM To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Eric Bunker Subject: Re: LDSC: Administrative Action Form There are a number of items that can only be viewed by printing or printing to view the membership record. Annotations are one of them. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From egomberg at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 14:02:06 2007 From: egomberg at gmail.com (ethang34787) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:02:06 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Hello We want to put together a nice, new Ward Directory for members. Does anyone have some past experience in this that you can share? Any templates or how-to's online that someone can point us to? Thank you Ethan Gomberg MetroWest Ward- Orlando,FL >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From embunker817 at msn.com Mon Jun 4 16:26:43 2007 From: embunker817 at msn.com (Eric Bunker) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:26:43 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Administrative Action Form Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Another one is a prior unit ----- Original Message ----- From: RussellHltn To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: RussellHltn Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: RE: LDSC: Administrative Action Form What are some others? -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Eric Bunker Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 6:44 PM To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Eric Bunker Subject: Re: LDSC: Administrative Action Form There are a number of items that can only be viewed by printing or printing to view the membership record. Annotations are one of them. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jeffp at jeffszone.com Mon Jun 4 19:26:38 2007 From: jeffp at jeffszone.com (Jeff Phillips) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:26:38 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50e74d5a0706041726k38944e6fj7d48c2df487f5fc6@mail.gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I once used MLS to print the directory in booklet size (two pages per sheet). Then I chopped it in half with a paper cutter so I could run off the first and last page together, 2nd and 2nd to last page together, and so on through the copying machine. I ended up with an extra half page space, so I put a big "ATTENTION:" ad in that space to ask anyone who knows of any inaccuracies to please bring them to the attention of the clerks office. I stapled them in the center as nicely formatted booklets and distributed copies to everybody in the ward. I had what seemed like around 45 membership record updates to make within the next couple of weeks as a result of the widespread list of complaints -- everyone would come in saying that they had so and so's phone number which changed years prior written on their old directory and wanted to know why it wasn't on the new directory. Gee wiz, it's because you *wrote* it on your own instead of telling the clerk about it and getting a new directory printed. Everybody thought I was trying to give them a very nicely printed directory booklet to carry around. However was just a gimmick to implement a change of habit among our membership base to inspire them to bring contact information changes to the attention of the clerks office as they become aware of such updates. Subsequently anyone who wanted a new directory would get one fresh off the printer on demand. I'd always explain the reason why I wasn't keeping extra copies around -- because the information keeps changing as people notify me of updates. I believe the trick worked quite well, as I started receiving word from members when contact information needed to be changed on a quite consistent basis for the remainder of my duration in the calling. -Jeff On 6/4/07, ethang34787 wrote: > > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > > Hello > > We want to put together a nice, new Ward Directory for members. Does > anyone have some past experience in this that you can share? > > Any templates or how-to's online that someone can point us to? > > Thank you > Ethan Gomberg > MetroWest Ward- Orlando,FL > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jeffp at jeffszone.com Mon Jun 4 19:31:19 2007 From: jeffp at jeffszone.com (Jeff Phillips) Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:31:19 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Administrative Action Form In-Reply-To: <003e01c7a6d5$051fe650$6401a8c0@cciclass4> References: <003e01c7a6d5$051fe650$6401a8c0@cciclass4> Message-ID: <50e74d5a0706041731h36f4df13k1680e0f60b96bd43@mail.gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Prior ward, prior stake? On 6/4/07, RussellHltn wrote: > > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > What are some others? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com > [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Eric Bunker > Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 6:44 PM > To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com > Cc: Eric Bunker > Subject: Re: LDSC: Administrative Action Form > > > > There are a number of items that can only be viewed by printing or printing > to view the membership record. Annotations are one of them. > > > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From embunker817 at msn.com Mon Jun 4 23:03:15 2007 From: embunker817 at msn.com (Eric Bunker) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:03:15 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Administrative Action Form References: Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. The other one is sealing to prior spouse that will only come up on a custom report or on the printed membership record. That seems to be all that I can see for now ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Bunker To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Eric Bunker Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:26 PM Subject: Re: LDSC: Administrative Action Form Another one is a prior unit ----- Original Message ----- From: RussellHltn> To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com> Cc: RussellHltn> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: RE: LDSC: Administrative Action Form What are some others? -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com> [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Eric Bunker Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 6:44 PM To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com> Cc: Eric Bunker Subject: Re: LDSC: Administrative Action Form There are a number of items that can only be viewed by printing or printing to view the membership record. Annotations are one of them. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From embunker817 at msn.com Mon Jun 4 23:23:32 2007 From: embunker817 at msn.com (Eric Bunker) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:23:32 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) References: Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I am not sure why you would want to do a nice directory for the whole ward. They can go online and get the most updated one available that has the name, phone and address of the household and spouse. We are having our clerks tell ward members that if they want a directory to register, go online and get one. Some members hate online things so we will print some up for them. We change so fast here that we don't waste time with doing nice directories as they are outdated almost as soon as they are printed. In regards to printing, you can put a whole ward on one regular page if you go into MLS and paste the Abbreviated Directory of Members into Excel, tweak it and then paste it into Word. We ought to note that we are not authorized to put out full directories for the whole ward's consumption that have the names, sex, birth dates and ages of minors. That is reserved for the leadership only. This restriction is designed as an attempt to keep such information out of the hands of predators and the like Eric Clerk Queen Creek Arizona Stake ----- Original Message ----- From: ethang34787 To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: ethang34787 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: LDSC: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) Hello We want to put together a nice, new Ward Directory for members. Does anyone have some past experience in this that you can share? Any templates or how-to's online that someone can point us to? Thank you Ethan Gomberg MetroWest Ward- Orlando,FL >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From wa7jos at xmission.com Tue Jun 5 00:28:09 2007 From: wa7jos at xmission.com (Chuck Johnson) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 01:28:09 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4664F469.8060507@xmission.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. ethang34787 wrote: > We want to put together a nice, new Ward Directory for members. Does > anyone have some past experience in this that you can share? > > Any templates or how-to's online that someone can point us to? I put one in the files section a couple of years ago. It is named SampleDir.PDF To build it, I generate an abbreviated list with children in MLS. My goal is to get the information into a tab delimited document file. I do some editing in a document file first.. For example, Doe, John & Jane needs to be split into three different fields. I change the comma to a tab, and also the ampersand. You may also have some children whose surnames don't match the parents which you may want to edit. Then I switch to a desktop publishing program. I establish frames on each page for the data and link one page to another in the correct order to form a booklet when printed double sides, folded in half, and stapled to form a booklet. There is a cover page, a leadership page, maps, and a meeting schedule page. The directory fits on the pages in the middle. It was quite a bit of work to create this the first time, but after that, you only need to update the leadership and schedule pages as required and import a new directory document to replace the old data. Chuck Johnson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From stakeclerk at mygeorge.net Tue Jun 5 09:39:18 2007 From: stakeclerk at mygeorge.net (magboy1961) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 10:39:18 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. There is a product called ClickBook that is maded by a little-known company named Blue Squirrel. If you're willing to invest $50.00 for the product, it makes producing quality ward directories a simple process. ClickBook installs as a printer driver, takes the output, and then allows you to select the format and style for printing(i.e. 2-sided booklets, etc.). I have not personally used the product, but I have seen it recommended on this board previously. I will include the link below. There is a trial version of the product that is available for download. http://www.bluesquirrel.com/products/clickbook/ Andy Sherman, Stake Clerk St. George Utah Green Valley Stake --- In ldsclerks at yahoogroups.com, "ethang34787" wrote: > > Hello > > We want to put together a nice, new Ward Directory for members. Does > anyone have some past experience in this that you can share? > > Any templates or how-to's online that someone can point us to? > > Thank you > Ethan Gomberg > MetroWest Ward- Orlando,FL > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From Steve.Neeland at ingrambook.com Tue Jun 5 10:05:39 2007 From: Steve.Neeland at ingrambook.com (Neeland, Steve) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:05:39 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) In-Reply-To: <4664F469.8060507@xmission.com> Message-ID: <61F9465B7871FA4AAF36C89DCC2064B92033B85F@IBC2K3EXCH.ingrambook.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I've done something like this for our R.S. presidency. I exported the entire membership from MLS to a .csv file. Then I edited the file in a spreadsheet format to remove all males and any females under 18. Then I saved the remaining file. I imported it into MS Outlook into a Contacts folder, then printed all the contacts in 'Medium Booklet Style' format. They added a few pages at the start and ending for things like Temple hours, presidency names, etc. I too got several corrections back. It was a win-win for everyone. Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 12:28 AM To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Chuck Johnson Subject: Re: LDSC: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. ethang34787 wrote: > We want to put together a nice, new Ward Directory for members. Does > anyone have some past experience in this that you can share? > > Any templates or how-to's online that someone can point us to? I put one in the files section a couple of years ago. It is named SampleDir.PDF To build it, I generate an abbreviated list with children in MLS. My goal is to get the information into a tab delimited document file. I do some editing in a document file first.. For example, Doe, John & Jane needs to be split into three different fields. I change the comma to a tab, and also the ampersand. You may also have some children whose surnames don't match the parents which you may want to edit. Then I switch to a desktop publishing program. I establish frames on each page for the data and link one page to another in the correct order to form a booklet when printed double sides, folded in half, and stapled to form a booklet. There is a cover page, a leadership page, maps, and a meeting schedule page. The directory fits on the pages in the middle. It was quite a bit of work to create this the first time, but after that, you only need to update the leadership and schedule pages as required and import a new directory document to replace the old data. Chuck Johnson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From tlwalker at nethere.com Tue Jun 5 10:53:16 2007 From: tlwalker at nethere.com (Tom Walker) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:53:16 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Administrative Action Form In-Reply-To: <003e01c7a6d5$051fe650$6401a8c0@cciclass4> References: <003e01c7a6d5$051fe650$6401a8c0@cciclass4> Message-ID: <466586EC.8050304@nethere.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Previous Unit is one I recall. RussellHltn wrote: > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > What are some others? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com > [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Eric Bunker > Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 6:44 PM > To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com > Cc: Eric Bunker > Subject: Re: LDSC: Administrative Action Form > > > > There are a number of items that can only be viewed by printing or printing > to view the membership record. Annotations are one of them. > > > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From tlwalker at nethere.com Tue Jun 5 11:19:01 2007 From: tlwalker at nethere.com (Tom Walker) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 12:19:01 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) In-Reply-To: <50e74d5a0706041726k38944e6fj7d48c2df487f5fc6@mail.gmail.com> References: <50e74d5a0706041726k38944e6fj7d48c2df487f5fc6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46658CF5.1020705@nethere.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Our Stake printed a similar Stake Directory recently. After distribution I got NO such result sadly. Even the Bishop and the counselors forget to give me changes like that. Very distressing beating ones head against the wall for nothing at times. Except of course the LORD asked me to do it!! :-0 Tom Walker Jeff Phillips wrote: > >> From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription >> instructions and list URL. > > I once used MLS to print the directory in booklet size (two pages per > sheet). Then I chopped it in half with a paper cutter so I could run > off the first and last page together, 2nd and 2nd to last page > together, and so on through the copying machine. I ended up with an > extra half page space, so I put a big "ATTENTION:" ad in that space to > ask anyone who knows of any inaccuracies to please bring them to the > attention of the clerks office. I stapled them in the center as nicely > formatted booklets and distributed copies to everybody in the ward. > > I had what seemed like around 45 membership record updates to make > within the next couple of weeks as a result of the widespread list of > complaints -- everyone would come in saying that they had so and so's > phone number which changed years prior written on their old directory > and wanted to know why it wasn't on the new directory. Gee wiz, it's > because you *wrote* it on your own instead of telling the clerk about > it and getting a new directory printed. > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From ebvance at cox.net Tue Jun 5 12:51:18 2007 From: ebvance at cox.net (E. Blaine Vance) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 13:51:18 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) In-Reply-To: <46658CF5.1020705@nethere.com> References: <50e74d5a0706041726k38944e6fj7d48c2df487f5fc6@mail.gmail.com> <46658CF5.1020705@nethere.com> Message-ID: <003501c7a79a$1ed61fe0$6701a8c0@Dads> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. When I was stake membership clerk, we put out a stake directory. I used CSV files and a spreadsheet program (actually use Lotus 123, my preferred spreadsheet, but Excel will work, as well). This allowed me to adjust line heights and fonts so all the wards ended up with the same number of pages in the directory, regardless of how many members were in each ward. The files were then transferred into a word processing program (I prefer WordPro, but Word will work, as well) and printed using the booklet template. I sent out three rounds of "advance copies" to each ward asking for corrections. I was inundated! I finally asked them to stop sending notes and memos and to update the MIS records in their ward and give me a new stake update disk. (Remember those old days when the stake was dependent upon the ward membership clerks for the accuracy and timeliness of member info? Despite the occasional issues we face, I think MLS is sooooo much better, at the Stake level, than the old MIS system.) We found member records of people who had been deceased for five years, as well as one Bishop who was listed as an Elder, and an Elders quorum president who didn't show up in the Ward records, at all. MLS catches most of those things now. I guess the point of this email is that while printing a ward or stake directory isn't absolutely necessary with the internet sites, it is something physical and tangible that many members use and rely on. I feel the Stake directory is especially useful since most members can't access the sites of other wards to get phone numbers and addresses. It can also be an opportunity to clean out some of the erroneous data which accumulates in our databases. Apparently, Bro. Walker, you live in a stake where the Ward membership clerks have kept everything up-to-date and so no corrections were needed. ;-} Blaine Vance -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Tom Walker Sent: 06/05/2007 9:19 AM To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Jeff Phillips; Tom Walker Subject: Re: LDSC: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Our Stake printed a similar Stake Directory recently. After distribution I got NO such result sadly. Even the Bishop and the counselors forget to give me changes like that. Very distressing beating ones head against the wall for nothing at times. Except of course the LORD asked me to do it!! :-0 Tom Walker >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 13:26:39 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (RussellHltn) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:26:39 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Administrative Action Form In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801c7a79f$104e3cf0$6401a8c0@cciclass4> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I know there's a "Sealed to prior spouse (Y/N)" that's visible if you look at the membership record on the screen. No need to print to get that one. Does the printed report show to whom the person is sealed to? -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Eric Bunker Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 6:03 PM To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Eric Bunker Subject: Re: LDSC: Administrative Action Form The other one is sealing to prior spouse that will only come up on a custom report or on the printed membership record. That seems to be all that I can see for now >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 13:29:24 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (RussellHltn) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 14:29:24 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001901c7a79f$73f408c0$6401a8c0@cciclass4> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. >>> I am not sure why you would want to do a nice directory for the whole ward. They can go online and get the most updated one available that has the name, phone and address of the household and spouse. We are having our clerks tell ward members that if they want a directory to register, go online and get one. <<< The on-line version can have family photos (if any have bothered to upload them). Also, the on-line version can be exported to different file formats for those who want to pretty it up. Look in the top right corner for the options. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajackson at juno.com Tue Jun 5 18:34:33 2007 From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:34:33 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) Message-ID: <20070605.185558.2812.0.lajackson@juno.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Blaine Vance: . . . while printing a ward or stake directory isn't absolutely necessary with the internet sites, it is something physical and tangible that many members use and rely on. I feel the Stake directory is especially useful since most members can't access the sites of other wards to get phone numbers and addresses. _______________ You have given excellent reasons for printing a stake directory (along with excellent instructions on how to do it) for those who wish to print such a directory. I am only responding to clarify that the members of any ward or branch in your stake can, in fact, access the directory for any other ward or branch in your stake. They cannot go outside the stake, but after they log in to their ward home page, they can click on the stake link, select the ward they wish to peruse, and find all of that ward's information, as well as information for their own ward. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajackson at juno.com Tue Jun 5 18:36:47 2007 From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:36:47 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Administrative Action Form Message-ID: <20070605.185558.2812.1.lajackson@juno.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Russell Houlton: I know there's a "Sealed to prior spouse (Y/N)" that's visible if you look at the membership record on the screen. No need to print to get that one. Does the printed report show to whom the person is sealed to? _______________ No. The print preview shows exactly what will be printed. But the print preview and/or actually printing the record does show the things that have been mentioned here: Prior Ward/Branch Sealed to prior spouse (Y/N) Annotations Disciplinary Actions Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From joanealww at comcast.net Tue Jun 5 19:50:48 2007 From: joanealww at comcast.net (neal whiteford) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:50:48 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Speaking of a Ward Directory In-Reply-To: <001901c7a79f$73f408c0$6401a8c0@cciclass4> Message-ID: <200706060047.l560lLc2011544@mormonstoday.propagation.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I am wondering if I can EXPORT the entire ward directory as a .CSV file ...drop it into Excel and edit the data as required. then IMPORT the entire file, changes and all, back into MLS again and not lose data or do harm to the MLS records? Has anyone done this successfully? It is SOOO much easier to edit files for uniformity and accuracy, than opening each membership file and changing the formatting or making changes & corrections in names etc..... is it possible to import changes?? Safely?? >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From cwha at ldskc.org Wed Jun 6 09:34:52 2007 From: cwha at ldskc.org (Chuck Anderson) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:34:52 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Speaking of a Ward Directory In-Reply-To: <200706060047.l560lLc2011544@mormonstoday.propagation.net> References: <200706060047.l560lLc2011544@mormonstoday.propagation.net> Message-ID: <79BD6F23-C7A8-419B-AC25-BAC2B6B00CAD@ldskc.org> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Why in the world would you want to "Import" the file back into MLS -- what is the advantage of that???? No, I don't think one can do that. I would think that "importing" into MLS would destroy the integrity of the MLS data base. Simply manipulate the data in Excel and Print from Excel - or cut and paste to Word to finish up the directory. Chuck Anderson cwha at ldskc.org On Jun 5, 2007, at 7:50 PM, neal whiteford wrote: > From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > instructions and list URL. I am wondering if I can EXPORT the entire ward directory as a .CSV file ...drop it into Excel and edit the data as required. then IMPORT the entire file, changes and all, back into MLS again and not lose data or do harm to the MLS records? Has anyone done this successfully? It is SOOO much easier to edit files for uniformity and accuracy, than opening each membership file and changing the formatting or making changes & corrections in names etc..... is it possible to import changes?? Safely?? > From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From adr at rossers.net Wed Jun 6 10:13:17 2007 From: adr at rossers.net (Andrew R.) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:13:17 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Speaking of a Ward Directory In-Reply-To: <200706060047.l560lLc2011544@mormonstoday.propagation.net> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. You can certainly export that data - but there is no import function. I export the entire stake data every month. I have a programme that converts this is into two related tables in a database - IND and FAM. The IND table has individual information and FAM links them via the Head of Home and contains the address, telephone, etc. There is a third table UNT which contains the unit information. Using this I can pull any information I want from the data and then export just that to Excel and email to stake presidency members who require it. In the UK we do not have membership information in our unit website - in fact we don't have unit websites. We have a stake calendar that is fairly useless. But with this data if a counsellor on the presidency wanted to know all the Endowed YSA in half the stake I can get it to him in an Excel spreadsheet in about 10 minutes of receiving his email request. I also have these tables in my handheld so I can access anyone's membership number, baptism date, Recommend expiry, etc in seconds at stake and ward meetings. Andrew R. > > > I am wondering if I can EXPORT the entire ward directory as a .CSV file > ...drop it into Excel and edit the data as required. then IMPORT the entire > file, changes and all, back into MLS again and not lose data or do harm to > the MLS records? > > Has anyone done this successfully? It is SOOO much easier to edit files for > uniformity and accuracy, than opening each membership file and changing the > formatting or making changes & corrections in names etc..... is it possible > to import changes?? Safely?? > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From joanealww at comcast.net Wed Jun 6 15:16:38 2007 From: joanealww at comcast.net (neal whiteford) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:16:38 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Speaking of a Ward Directory In-Reply-To: <79BD6F23-C7A8-419B-AC25-BAC2B6B00CAD@ldskc.org> Message-ID: <200706062012.l56KCqhL010449@mormonstoday.propagation.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Chuck, Question was not related to making a directory. I have done that already. The problem was the hours it took to open each membership file to check for errors (inconsistencies in address formatting, phone numbers missing GEO codes and a host of other things that are easily spotted on a CSV. file where the columns all contain the same information top to bottom. There it is easy to change a phone # (425) 255-XXXX to 425-255-XXXX instead. Before I try to import the corrected data back into MLS I wanted to know from someone more experienced than I, if it would be safe...... I lost the entire membership file once when the Stake Tech guy flattened the hard drive to install the latest version of MLS. Fortunately we had data backed up for the last month and SLC supplied the prior data records. Don't want to go thru that again. Thanks...... Neal Whiteford - Ward Cluck > > $$Why in the world would you want to "Import" the file back into MLS -- > $$what is the advantage of that???? > $$No, I don't think one can do that. I would think that "importing" > $$into MLS would destroy the integrity of the MLS data base. > $$ > $$Simply manipulate the data in Excel and Print from Excel - or cut and > $$paste to Word to finish up the directory. > $$ > $$Chuck Anderson > $$cwha at ldskc.org > $$ > > $$ > $$ > $$I am wondering if I can EXPORT the entire ward directory as a .CSV file > $$...drop it into Excel and edit the data as required. then IMPORT the > $$entire > $$file, changes and all, back into MLS again and not lose data or do > $$harm to > $$the MLS records? > $$ > > $$ > $$> From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > $$See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > $$ > $$Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > $$To join: subscribe ldsclerks > $$To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > $$To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > $$ > $$ > $$ > $$>From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > $$See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > $$ > $$Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > $$To join: subscribe ldsclerks > $$To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > $$To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From ebvance at cox.net Wed Jun 6 15:39:00 2007 From: ebvance at cox.net (E. Blaine Vance) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:39:00 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) In-Reply-To: <20070605.185558.2812.0.lajackson@juno.com> References: <20070605.185558.2812.0.lajackson@juno.com> Message-ID: <003c01c7a87a$b6cc7e80$6701a8c0@Dads> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Larry Jackson: ....I am only responding to clarify that the members of any ward or branch in your stake can, in fact, access the directory for any other ward or branch in your stake. They cannot go outside the stake, but after they log in to their ward home page, they can click on the stake link, select the ward they wish to peruse, and find all of that ward's information, as well as information for their own ward. _________ AWESOME! I didn't know that capability existed. That is why I appreciate this chat group. I continually learn how little I know about so many things. Thanks for the clarification. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From cwha at ldskc.org Wed Jun 6 17:25:25 2007 From: cwha at ldskc.org (Chuck Anderson) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:25:25 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Speaking of a Ward Directory... Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Nope -- you cannot "import" membership data into MLS - the reason is the integrity of the MLS database. You must use MLS to update the data in Membership records. Chuck Anderson Lenexa Kansas Stake > From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > instructions and list URL. I am wondering if I can EXPORT the entire ward directory as a .CSV file ...drop it into Excel and edit the data as required. then IMPORT the entire file, changes and all, back into MLS again and not lose data or do harm to the MLS records? Has anyone done this successfully? It is SOOO much easier to edit files for uniformity and accuracy, than opening each membership file and changing the formatting or making changes & corrections in names etc..... is it possible to import changes?? Safely?? > From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest Chuck Anderson cwha at ldskc.org >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From drepouille at hotmail.com Wed Jun 6 17:56:27 2007 From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:56:27 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Speaking of a Ward Directory... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01ac01c7a88d$e9eb3730$0301a8c0@3nnwq61> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but you can download csv files from each ward web site. This allows any member of the stake to make their own directory and format it as they like. Dana >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From avskip at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 18:22:18 2007 From: avskip at gmail.com (Skip Taylor) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:22:18 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) In-Reply-To: <003c01c7a87a$b6cc7e80$6701a8c0@Dads> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Hello, I'm new here so this may be old information, but here goes. I use Yanceyware on my Pocket PC and their desktop version on my desktop pc. If you go into their forum, there is a nice program called Unit List On The Run (ULOTR) which makes a complete Stake directory from what's accessible on the website. It includes member directories as well as leadership and missionary information. It's readable on either the desktop or pocket versions. I've never tried to print it, not even sure if you can, but it's always available for me in it's current form. They are at http://www.yanceyware.com Hope that's a help for someone! Regards, Skip Taylor Lancaster California East Stake On 6/6/07, E. Blaine Vance wrote: > > Larry Jackson: > > ....I am only responding to clarify that the members of any ward or branch > in your stake can, in fact, access the directory for any other ward or > branch in your stake. They cannot go outside the stake, but after they > log > in to their ward home page, they can click on the stake link, select the > ward they wish to peruse, and find all of that ward's information, as well > as information for their own ward. > > _________ > > AWESOME! I didn't know that capability existed. That is why I appreciate > this chat group. I continually learn how little I know about so many > things. Thanks for the clarification. > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From mark_werner at byu.edu Wed Jun 6 18:26:44 2007 From: mark_werner at byu.edu (Mark Werner) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:26:44 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Speaking of a Ward Directory... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001b01c7a892$250c1970$6f244c50$@edu> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. You'll notice when you look at an individual record that there are two arrow buttons at the top right corner of the panel. These allow you to move back and forth from one record to the next (in alphabetical order). The button in the middle, with the magnifying glass, lets you search. Either way, you remain on the same portion of the record that you were looking at for the previous person. If I were trying to make all the phone numbers consistent, for example, I would pull up the first record, go to the "Contact Information" tab, make any changes, then click on the right arrow to the next person, make any changes, click the right arrow, etc. In this way you can fairly quickly cycle through all the records while viewing the same piece(s) of data--so you will likely catch all the problems. Note that you can edit common data (addresses, phone numbers) for any family member and it changes for all family members, which is nice; that way you don't have to stop to figure out which person is the head of household. Mark Werner Provo Utah East Stake -----Original Message----- Nope -- you cannot "import" membership data into MLS - the reason is the integrity of the MLS database. You must use MLS to update the data in Membership records. Chuck Anderson Lenexa Kansas Stake > From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > instructions and list URL. I am wondering if I can EXPORT the entire ward directory as a .CSV file ...drop it into Excel and edit the data as required. then IMPORT the entire file, changes and all, back into MLS again and not lose data or do harm to the MLS records? Has anyone done this successfully? It is SOOO much easier to edit files for uniformity and accuracy, than opening each membership file and changing the formatting or making changes & corrections in names etc..... is it possible to import changes?? Safely?? >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From webmaster at byondf1.com Wed Jun 6 19:20:07 2007 From: webmaster at byondf1.com (Greg A. Anderson) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:20:07 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Speaking of a Ward Directory... In-Reply-To: <001b01c7a892$250c1970$6f244c50$@edu> References: <001b01c7a892$250c1970$6f244c50$@edu> Message-ID: <000601c7a899$9bbbfe80$d333fb80$@com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. The way I did it in our ward for consistency changes for a lot of records is to bring up the Abbreviated directory. It lists the names, address, phone of each family, you can just click on the name and it opens the family record. Change what needs to be changed and then close it and it goes back to the Abbrev. Dir. Very easy to see inconsistencies. You can click on Customize at the top of the page to display the children and correct them in the same way. I used this to fix phone numbers, preferred names for parents and children and address inconsistencies like Drive instead of Dr and to remove punctuation from addresses like Dr instead of Dr. Some of the software I use on these records does not like punctuation in the records. Just my 2 cents. Greg A. Anderson - ByondF1's Hi-Tech Superstore - http://byondf1.com The LDS Banner Exchange - http://ldsbe.com LDSircNet - An On-line LDS Community - http://ldsirc.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Mark Werner Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 4:27 PM To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Mark Werner Subject: RE: LDSC: Re: Speaking of a Ward Directory... >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. You'll notice when you look at an individual record that there are two arrow buttons at the top right corner of the panel. These allow you to move back and forth from one record to the next (in alphabetical order). The button in the middle, with the magnifying glass, lets you search. Either way, you remain on the same portion of the record that you were looking at for the previous person. If I were trying to make all the phone numbers consistent, for example, I would pull up the first record, go to the "Contact Information" tab, make any changes, then click on the right arrow to the next person, make any changes, click the right arrow, etc. In this way you can fairly quickly cycle through all the records while viewing the same piece(s) of data--so you will likely catch all the problems. Note that you can edit common data (addresses, phone numbers) for any family member and it changes for all family members, which is nice; that way you don't have to stop to figure out which person is the head of household. Mark Werner Provo Utah East Stake >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Wed Jun 6 21:28:51 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (RussellHltn) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:28:51 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Administrative Action Form In-Reply-To: <20070605.185558.2812.1.lajackson@juno.com> References: <20070605.185558.2812.1.lajackson@juno.com> Message-ID: <000c01c7a8ab$98884590$6401a8c0@cciclass4> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Sealed to Prior Spouse is viewable on the individual record if you go to the "Current Spouse" section of the Individual Record. The field won't show unless the answer is "yes". It will not show in the "Summery" section. The field is also available for custom reports. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajackson at juno.com Wed Jun 6 21:38:19 2007 From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:38:19 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Speaking of a Ward Directory... Message-ID: <20070606.213822.964.1.lajackson@juno.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Mark and Greg have shared good ways to update member contact information. Another way, albeit a little old fashioned, works well, especially after you already have cleaned up the records a little. Use either a printed abbreviated directory, or dump the data into a spreadsheet and view or print it there, preferably one line per record. Any item that needs fixing will jump out from the list and you can go directly to that record to fix it. This works well for standardizing the Dr and Ave and 801.240.2000 types of things. And, of course, once you have cleaned things up, fix every record that shows up afterward so that things stay consistent. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From combblai at isu.edu Thu Jun 7 12:18:37 2007 From: combblai at isu.edu (Blair Combs) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:18:37 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) Message-ID: <46683DED.70807@isu.edu> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Most printer drivers provide for duplex printing (manual or auto) as well as booklet printing w/ 2 pages per side. If your printer driver does not you may want to find a better/newer printer driver that does. I was able to create an abbreviated directory (w/o sensitive information) easily using an HP Laserjet 1100 in my previous ward using the printer driver options for manual duplexing (setup for 2 logical pages per physical page and booklet printing). The booklet option places the pages in the proper order for folding and using as a booklet. Once the first side is printed you can just place the printed pages back in the paper bin, push the data button on the printer, and the other side is printed. You should see directions to this effect on your computer. Then I would take this copy to the copier for producing multiple copies. I also place a header page on the front which I produced with Open Office that gives additional information such as ward name, leadership, meeting times, bishop's/clerk's office phone number, and statement "For Church Use Only" (don't forget this statement if you are doing your own thing since the CHI requires this). Once you have the settings correct within the printer driver config, you can save the config for easy use in the future. Note: you may have to buy a special stapler that can be used for stapling these directories in the middle of the booklet. Now I have a new HP Laserjet 1320 (due to the creation of a new ward in our stake) which can print duplex (very slowly) which simplifies part of this process. One question: Eric mentioned that ages of children could no longer be printed in directories for all ward members. I have not read or heard this and am wondering, have I missed some directive to this effect? -- Blair Combs Pocatello Highland 11th Ward >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From tlwalker at nethere.com Thu Jun 7 14:23:51 2007 From: tlwalker at nethere.com (Tom Walker) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:23:51 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46685B47.2020800@nethere.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. My thoughts exactly. I have been trying to maintain a One page Telephone list only done in Open office so the Leadership Tel Numbers could be added to the second page. It was done Front and back on heaver paper but since it changes so much I am now doing it on regular printer paper. And it is a real Nightmare to keep up. And with the changes, several per month and sometimes more in our ward, I only print 6 or so copies at a time and give then out if requested. I am not even going to make enough of them so Every one in the ward, or even those that attend regularly. Now I do try and keep the Leadership updated. The Priesthood gets an list of those Unassigned Home Teachers(Custom Report) and the RS gets the Move In/Out5 list. Tom Walker Eric Bunker wrote: > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > > I am not sure why you would want to do a nice directory for the whole ward. They can go online and get the most updated one available that has the name, phone and address of the household and spouse. We are having our clerks tell ward members that if they want a directory to register, go online and get one. > > Some members hate online things so we will print some up for them. We change so fast here that we don't waste time with doing nice directories as they are outdated almost as soon as they are printed. > > In regards to printing, you can put a whole ward on one regular page if you go into MLS and paste the Abbreviated Directory of Members into Excel, tweak it and then paste it into Word. > > We ought to note that we are not authorized to put out full directories for the whole ward's consumption that have the names, sex, birth dates and ages of minors. That is reserved for the leadership only. This restriction is designed as an attempt to keep such information out of the hands of predators and the like > > > > Eric > > Clerk > Queen Creek Arizona Stake > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ethang34787 > To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com > Cc: ethang34787 > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 12:02 PM > Subject: LDSC: Creating a nice Ward Directory (Access?) > > > > Hello > > We want to put together a nice, new Ward Directory for members. Does > anyone have some past experience in this that you can share? > > Any templates or how-to's online that someone can point us to? > > Thank you > Ethan Gomberg > MetroWest Ward- Orlando,FL > > > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From tlwalker at nethere.com Thu Jun 7 15:16:15 2007 From: tlwalker at nethere.com (Tom Walker) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:16:15 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Re: Speaking of a Ward Directory... In-Reply-To: <001b01c7a892$250c1970$6f244c50$@edu> References: <001b01c7a892$250c1970$6f244c50$@edu> Message-ID: <4668678F.4080209@nethere.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I did that for putting in the Location codes. Very quick and easy and like you said can be used for most of the membership information. Tom Walker Mark Werner wrote: > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > You'll notice when you look at an individual record that there are two arrow > buttons at the top right corner of the panel. These allow you to move back > and forth from one record to the next (in alphabetical order). The button in > the middle, with the magnifying glass, lets you search. Either way, you > remain on the same portion of the record that you were looking at for the > previous person. > > If I were trying to make all the phone numbers consistent, for example, I > would pull up the first record, go to the "Contact Information" tab, make > any changes, then click on the right arrow to the next person, make any > changes, click the right arrow, etc. In this way you can fairly quickly > cycle through all the records while viewing the same piece(s) of data--so > you will likely catch all the problems. Note that you can edit common data > (addresses, phone numbers) for any family member and it changes for all > family members, which is nice; that way you don't have to stop to figure out > which person is the head of household. > > Mark Werner > Provo Utah East Stake > > -----Original Message----- > > Nope -- you cannot "import" membership data into MLS - the reason is > the integrity of the MLS database. > You must use MLS to update the data in Membership records. > > Chuck Anderson > Lenexa Kansas Stake > > > From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > > instructions and list URL. > > > I am wondering if I can EXPORT the entire ward directory as a .CSV file > ...drop it into Excel and edit the data as required. then IMPORT the > entire > file, changes and all, back into MLS again and not lose data or do > harm to > the MLS records? > > Has anyone done this successfully? It is SOOO much easier to edit > files for > uniformity and accuracy, than opening each membership file and > changing the > formatting or making changes & corrections in names etc..... is it > possible > to import changes?? Safely?? > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajackson at juno.com Thu Jun 7 22:53:54 2007 From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:53:54 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing Message-ID: <20070607.231231.796.2.lajackson@juno.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Some of you use bill paying services, such as a bank or credit union. I also use my bank service to pay all of my bills. The only checks I have written in the last year are to the ward to give to the bishop for tithing and offerings. I have not had much of a desire to pay tithing electronically, but I am aware of some members who very much would like to do so. Do any of you have experience in this area? I believe I heard once (on this list, in fact) that SL has accounts that can be used, a different number for each type of contribution (tithing to one account, fast offering to another). My question is this. What type of feedback does the bishop get if a member pays electronically directly to SL? Does he get a report of how much the member pays in tithing? Does he get anything at all that shows the member is even paying tithing? (I know that when a member pays tithing in kind, only the member gets any report back from SL.) Do fast offering or ward missionary contributions get credited back to the ward for appropriate use there? We have anumber of service members who are mailing envelopes back to their bishops every few weeks. Some have asked is there is a better way. The bishops are wondering how it works, as well. I did not want to query SL at this point. But if some of you have experience, or at least some good tales to tell, please share. I will figure out which way to go after that Thanks. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jeffp at jeffszone.com Thu Jun 7 23:40:38 2007 From: jeffp at jeffszone.com (Jeff Phillips) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 00:40:38 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing In-Reply-To: <20070607.231231.796.2.lajackson@juno.com> References: <20070607.231231.796.2.lajackson@juno.com> Message-ID: <50e74d5a0706072140w7f2fc8d3h18ef79e1bdc1bb96@mail.gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I've been using the Bill Pay service to pay my tithing online for a few years now. It is great for people who move from ward to ward. The bishop doesn't get anything. Headquarters sends the member their year end report, and he would have to declare his tithing status to the bishop himself if he so chooses. You can donate to the tithing, fast offering, general missionary, book of mormon, and humanitarian aid funds online. You can not contribute to the local ward missionary or local "other" funds online, nor do fast offering funds have any sort of credit to the ward. (I'm not aware of there being a need for any credit/accounting on a per unit basis considering all of the fast offering funds are transferred to headquarters anyway.) You have to fill out some enrollment forms with your membership record number and fax or mail them to headquarters before you get started. Then you tell your bank to use your membership number as your "account number" when setting up the online payments. The finance department has a problem with a lot of banks that can't figure out how to update their database appropriately to recognize the church's account number, so they seem to get checks in the mail from the banks. After your first payment goes through call the finance department and make sure it arrived electronically - if not get them in contact with your bank to work the details out. It usually only takes the first member of each bank to get it fixed for all of the institution's account holders. I believe the enrollment forms are posted on this listserv's yahoo group. -Jeff On 6/7/07, Larry Jackson wrote: > > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > Some of you use bill paying services, such as a bank or > credit union. I also use my bank service to pay all of my > bills. The only checks I have written in the last year are > to the ward to give to the bishop for tithing and offerings. > > I have not had much of a desire to pay tithing electronically, > but I am aware of some members who very much would like > to do so. Do any of you have experience in this area? > > I believe I heard once (on this list, in fact) that SL > has accounts that can be used, a different number > for each type of contribution (tithing to one account, > fast offering to another). > > My question is this. What type of feedback does the > bishop get if a member pays electronically directly to > SL? Does he get a report of how much the member > pays in tithing? Does he get anything at all that shows > the member is even paying tithing? (I know that when > a member pays tithing in kind, only the member gets > any report back from SL.) > > Do fast offering or ward missionary contributions get > credited back to the ward for appropriate use there? > > We have anumber of service members who are > mailing envelopes back to their bishops every few > weeks. Some have asked is there is a better way. > > The bishops are wondering how it works, as well. > > I did not want to query SL at this point. But if some > of you have experience, or at least some good tales > to tell, please share. I will figure out which way to > go after that Thanks. > > Larry Jackson > > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From drepouille at hotmail.com Fri Jun 8 06:34:07 2007 From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 07:34:07 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing In-Reply-To: <50e74d5a0706072140w7f2fc8d3h18ef79e1bdc1bb96@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070607.231231.796.2.lajackson@juno.com> <50e74d5a0706072140w7f2fc8d3h18ef79e1bdc1bb96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001c7a9c0$ecb999f0$0301a8c0@3nnwq61> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I disagree. Our stake presidency is always concerned about the amount of fast offering paid by each unit versus the amount of money paid out for assistance to members. We have been a huge consumer of fast offering funds for years, and our stake president really doesn't like that. He uses this information during his PPIs with the bishops each month. Dana -----Original Message----- (I'm not aware of there being a need for any credit/accounting on a per unit basis considering all of the fast offering funds are transferred to headquarters anyway.) >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From erik at chinesetools.com Fri Jun 8 08:28:50 2007 From: erik at chinesetools.com (Erik Peterson) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:28:50 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing In-Reply-To: References: <20070607.231231.796.2.lajackson@juno.com> <50e74d5a0706072140w7f2fc8d3h18ef79e1bdc1bb96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I use my bank electronic payment system to pay tithing. I set up the payee to be the ward and I have it sent to the bishop. The bank cuts a check and mails it off. I specify the tithing/fast offering amounts in the memo field. Other than the finance clerk (me) needing to fill out a tithing slip when counting donations, it works as usual and my payments are recorded locally. Several ward members use this method (after getting approval from the bishop). Erik On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 06:34:07 -0500 "Dana Repouille" wrote: > >>From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription >>instructions and list URL. > > I disagree. Our stake presidency is always concerned about the amount of > fast offering paid by each unit versus the amount of money paid out for > assistance to members. We have been a huge consumer of fast offering funds > for years, and our stake president really doesn't like that. He uses this > information during his PPIs with the bishops each month. > > Dana > > -----Original Message----- > > (I'm not aware of there being a need for any credit/accounting on a per >unit > basis considering all of the fast offering funds are transferred to > headquarters anyway.) > > > >>From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jeffp at jeffszone.com Fri Jun 8 10:02:16 2007 From: jeffp at jeffszone.com (Jeff Phillips) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:02:16 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing In-Reply-To: References: <20070607.231231.796.2.lajackson@juno.com> <50e74d5a0706072140w7f2fc8d3h18ef79e1bdc1bb96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50e74d5a0706080802w3a59a059x1589bacfbf4bef24@mail.gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. On 6/8/07, Erik Peterson wrote: > I use my bank electronic payment system to pay tithing. I set up the > payee to be the ward and I have it sent to the bishop. The bank cuts a > check and mails it off. I specify the tithing/fast offering amounts in the > memo field. Other than the finance clerk (me) needing to fill out a tithing > slip when counting donations, it works as usual and my payments are recorded > locally. Several ward members use this method (after getting approval from > the bishop). > > Erik I don't understand the benefit of using online bill payment services if the end result is the same as writing a check. Why not just write the check and give it to the bishop -- especially if you still have to fill out a donation slip for it anyway? Then at least the two would be kept together. The online banking services make a lot of sense to me if the funds are going to be transferred electronically, eliminating all of the paperwork for the member, as well as the clerk. -Jeff >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jeffp at jeffszone.com Fri Jun 8 10:04:55 2007 From: jeffp at jeffszone.com (Jeff Phillips) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:04:55 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing In-Reply-To: References: <20070607.231231.796.2.lajackson@juno.com> <50e74d5a0706072140w7f2fc8d3h18ef79e1bdc1bb96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50e74d5a0706080804g4ded62bfk1096802b7c90cd3c@mail.gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. On 6/8/07, Dana Repouille wrote: > > I disagree. Our stake presidency is always concerned about the amount of > fast offering paid by each unit versus the amount of money paid out for > assistance to members. We have been a huge consumer of fast offering funds > for years, and our stake president really doesn't like that. He uses this > information during his PPIs with the bishops each month. > My thoughts on this strictly from a donor perspective -- I'm donating to the fast offering fund of the church. I really don't care where or how they use it. If leadership wants to ask how much I contributed, I'm not keeping it a secret. But, if they don't, oh well. In my opinion if the church really wanted to track more specifically the amount contributed on behalf of each ward, then they should make changes to their system which collects electronic donations such that it gets credited back to the responsible unit. I just follow the instructions given to me, and as far as I'm concerned all is well. -Jeff >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From Karl.Miller at huskyenergy.ca Fri Jun 8 10:33:51 2007 From: Karl.Miller at huskyenergy.ca (Karl Miller) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:33:51 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing In-Reply-To: <50e74d5a0706080804g4ded62bfk1096802b7c90cd3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4669227F.6635.00B8.0@huskyenergy.ca> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. The Bishop of my Ward is also very concerned about the amount of Fast Offerings donated by Ward Members vs. the amount of Fast Offering Funds used to help Ward Members (and at times Non-Members who live within the Ward Boundaries). I believe this is because the Stake President is also concerned, and it is possible that these concerns extend to higher levels. I live in Canada, and it is also my understanding that ALL donations made in Canada must stay in Canada to maintain the tax exempt status of those donations. This might complicate use of electronic payment in another way. Karl Miller Calgary, Alberta, Canada >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From don_fairchild at byu.edu Fri Jun 8 12:29:32 2007 From: don_fairchild at byu.edu (Don Fairchild) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 13:29:32 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing In-Reply-To: <50e74d5a0706080802w3a59a059x1589bacfbf4bef24@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070607.231231.796.2.lajackson@juno.com> <50e74d5a0706072140w7f2fc8d3h18ef79e1bdc1bb96@mail.gmail.com> <50e74d5a0706080802w3a59a059x1589bacfbf4bef24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. On 6/8/07, Jeff Phillips wrote: > The online banking services make a lot of sense to me if the funds > are going to be transferred electronically, eliminating all of the > paperwork for the member, as well as the clerk. I agree with Jeff on this. What would happen if all the members used a bill pay service that just cut a check and sent it to the bishop? The financial clerk would get stuck writing up all the donation slips every week. On 6/8/07, Dana Repouille wrote: > > Our stake presidency is always concerned about the amount of > fast offering paid by each unit versus the amount of money paid out > for assistance to members. > ... He uses this information during his PPIs with the bishops > each month. On the monthly Stake Financial Summary, there are a couple lines of information showing the difference, both for the month and year-to-date, between the amount of fast offerings donated and expended. I'd bet that these amounts do not include amounts donated directly by members to Church HQ. If large numbers of members decided to do this, then that would make these numbers inaccurate and maybe they would take them off the reports or else figure out how to credit the stake's account. I think at some point, the Church is going to have to deal better with EFT directly to Church accounts. Don 801-420-0609 >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From ldsskier at rusticate.net Fri Jun 8 13:12:15 2007 From: ldsskier at rusticate.net (Skier) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:12:15 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing In-Reply-To: References: <20070607.231231.796.2.lajackson@juno.com> <50e74d5a0706072140w7f2fc8d3h18ef79e1bdc1bb96@mail.gmail.com> <50e74d5a0706080802w3a59a059x1589bacfbf4bef24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42010.70.228.227.21.1181326335.squirrel@75.126.28.138> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. On Fri, June 8, 2007 1:29 pm, Don Fairchild wrote: > I agree with Jeff on this. What would happen if all the members used a > bill pay service that just cut a check and sent it to the bishop? The > financial clerk would get stuck writing up all the donation slips every > week. It would be trivial to create a donation portal that accepts EFTs while prompting for the slip information. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From erik at chinesetools.com Fri Jun 8 13:57:11 2007 From: erik at chinesetools.com (Erik Peterson) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:57:11 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing In-Reply-To: <50e74d5a0706080802w3a59a059x1589bacfbf4bef24@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070607.231231.796.2.lajackson@juno.com> <50e74d5a0706072140w7f2fc8d3h18ef79e1bdc1bb96@mail.gmail.com> <50e74d5a0706080802w3a59a059x1589bacfbf4bef24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. For me it is the convenience. I pay all my bills/tithing at once. I don't have to deal with writing the check or mailing it or remembering to bring the check to church. I think with online bill payment only getting more common, the church will likely adapt to it. The slip for a check from a bank service always seemed redundant to me. > I don't understand the benefit of using online bill payment services > if the end result is the same as writing a check. Why not just write > the check and give it to the bishop -- especially if you still have to > fill out a donation slip for it anyway? Then at least the two would be > kept together. > > The online banking services make a lot of sense to me if the funds are > going to be transferred electronically, eliminating all of the > paperwork for the member, as well as the clerk. > > -Jeff > >>From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From andersonmikel at yahoo.com Fri Jun 8 14:14:04 2007 From: andersonmikel at yahoo.com (Mikel Anderson) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:14:04 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Line of Authority In-Reply-To: <000401c75d27$f2181240$a901a8c0@frp.com> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I received a copy of my official priesthood line of authority from Church Headquarters. Anyone can receive their line and verify that it is correct and assist in correcting it, if necessary (instructions are given how to make corrections in what they send you). The telephone number to call is 1-800-453-3860 ext 2-7412. You will need your membership record number to make the request and they will mail it to the address on your record. In the letter from the MEMBER AND STATISTICAL RECORDS DIVISION, it states: "Based on direction from the First Presidency, Priesthood Line of Authority is recorded for Melchizedek Priesthood conferral (usually ordination to the office of Elder) and ordination to the office of High Priest." An enclosed document also informs that: "Though ordinations to the office of Seventy may be included in the above lines of authority, no separate line of authority is maintained for the office of Seventy. Ordained bishops and patriarchs trace their Priesthood Line of Authority through their High Priest's ordination. Priesthood Line of Authority is not recorded for Aaronic Priesthood offices." ... "Example: If you were an Elder when you ordained your first son an Elder, your first son will always trace his Elder's line of authority through your Elder's line of authority. If you were a High Priest when you ordained your second son an Elder, your second son will always trace his Elder's line of authority through your High Priest's line of authority." Mikel Anderson --- In ldsclerks at yahoogroups.com, "Greg A. Anderson" wrote: > > You would be correct. The LOA is the Line of the Authority used to do an > ordination so it would be the Priesthood office he held at the time of the > ordination. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ldsclerks at ... > [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at ...] On Behalf Of texter44 > Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 12:50 PM > > I'm at home right now and won't be near a CHI for a few days, but I'm > sure one of the sages in the discussion group knows the answer to this > question: we have a High Priest who ordained his son an Elder just > before he left on a mission, which is ending soon. The family wants to > give the missionary a plaque listing his Line of Authority from his > father on back. The HP wants to use the LOA from when he first > received the Melchizedek Priesthood and was ordained an Elder, because > that line goes back through his own father; my contention is that the > line that should be used is through that of the authority who ordained > him a High Priest since that is what he was when he ordained his own > son. > > Any quick answers, folks? > > Mitch Borden > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jeffp at jeffszone.com Fri Jun 8 14:19:32 2007 From: jeffp at jeffszone.com (Jeff Phillips) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:19:32 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing In-Reply-To: <42010.70.228.227.21.1181326335.squirrel@75.126.28.138> References: <20070607.231231.796.2.lajackson@juno.com> <50e74d5a0706072140w7f2fc8d3h18ef79e1bdc1bb96@mail.gmail.com> <50e74d5a0706080802w3a59a059x1589bacfbf4bef24@mail.gmail.com> <42010.70.228.227.21.1181326335.squirrel@75.126.28.138> Message-ID: <50e74d5a0706081219x67d9636bxc353c66326356ce5@mail.gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. On 6/8/07, Skier wrote: > On Fri, June 8, 2007 1:29 pm, Don Fairchild wrote: > > I agree with Jeff on this. What would happen if all the members used a > > bill pay service that just cut a check and sent it to the bishop? The > > financial clerk would get stuck writing up all the donation slips every > > week. > > It would be trivial to create a donation portal that accepts EFTs while > prompting for the slip information. > This is already in place. I don't know how it works on your end, but when I login to my bank's website I get a list of boxes to type dollar amounts in for Tithing, Fast Offering, Humanitarian Aid, General Missionary, Book of Mormon, Perpetual Education Fund, along with my gas bill, my electric bill, home mortgage, and credit card bill all on one list. All I have to do is fill out how much to pay to who or what all on a single page and click "pay now" at the bottom. Very easy. The way the bank sees it is that each donation category is a different "payee" in their database, even though they all belong to the church. All this really means is that they are sending the ACH or EFT funds to different bank account numbers depending on the fund category. The membership record number is attached to the bank transaction and when headquarters gets the funds they already have it received in different bank accounts for the different categories, and they know who donated it because the membership record number is part of the transaction details. I don't know the details of how it works at the receiving end, but I know they get fussy over whether the bank sent the membership record number with or without its dashes present. So I'm sure it's some sort of electronic batch that downloads the transaction amounts from the bank and parses them out to post to the year end reports for each member. The church has all the information it needs as far as a membership record number of the donor and the amount donated to fast offering funds. I don't see why they couldn't generate a monthly report to query the membership database to determine which unit number someone is in, and summarize all of this information in the form of a credit back to the appropriate unit or stake fast offering fund allocation. For that matter they could setup another account to collect local ward missionary fund donations at headquarters from the bank bill pay services. When a bill pay transaction is received, they could just setup their system to query the membership number for the member's unit number, and then credit the transaction on the appropriate unit financial statement. If they do that, I'd encourage them to also set it up for "other" local donations as well -- they can reconcile it with their local leaders what the money was for (ie, scout camp, etc.) when it arrives. But even in addition to the bank's online bill payment services, the church also already has its own donation portal setup on www.ldsphilanthropies.org website. They even take visa and mastercard donations. However, this website only takes money for the following fund categories: Perpetual Education Fund Humanitarian Services Temple Missionary Church History BYU BYU-Idaho BYU-Hawaii and Polynesian Cultural Center LDS Business College Of course with this the church would have to pay the transaction fees being the initiator of the transaction. Note that you can't pay tithing or fast offering through this website which seems intentional. They probably don't want anyone using a credit card to pay their tithing, while using the bill pay service ensures that the member is paying from the available funds in their checking account, and provides the church with receiving the full amount with no fees. Also with this site the member doesn't have to specify their membership record number, so donations won't show up on their typical year end receipt. They would just get a separate receipt for the donation by its self on this site. -Jeff >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From wa7jos at xmission.com Fri Jun 8 14:53:06 2007 From: wa7jos at xmission.com (wa7jos at xmission.com) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:53:06 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing In-Reply-To: <42010.70.228.227.21.1181326335.squirrel@75.126.28.138> References: <20070607.231231.796.2.lajackson@juno.com> <50e74d5a0706072140w7f2fc8d3h18ef79e1bdc1bb96@mail.gmail.com> <50e74d5a0706080802w3a59a059x1589bacfbf4bef24@mail.gmail.com> <42010.70.228.227.21.1181326335.squirrel@75.126.28.138> Message-ID: <20070608135306.p7a8a4wu84wsooc0@webmail.xmission.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Quoting Skier : > It would be trivial to create a donation portal that accepts EFTs while > prompting for the slip information. True, but it's NOT so trivial to get that information back to your ward to keep their bookkeeping straight with yours. The ward and stake NEED a good snapshot of how they're doing. Paying through an "end around" method hides the details. On the other hand, it WOULD be nice if contribution information followed members when they move. As clerks, we of all people should be able to see what a mess this could create. And would you want to fill out the donation slips for ALL of your ward members? I too make most of my payments through EFT. When I look through my check register, there are often several in a row to the Church with nothing else in between. I have my utilities and other monthly payments arranged so that they basically pay themselves. I love it. I never have to worry about a late payment. But consider this: You have a checking account; you still write a FEW checks; the one you write to the Church every couple of weeks keeps you in practice so you remember how. If we make it "automatic" like the house payment, it just becomes a payroll deduction, and where's the act of consecration in that? That's more like an obligation. When I write a check, I'm making an overt and conscious effort to obey the commandment to tithe. It reminds me of what I am doing and why. I find that action rewarding. Chuck Johnson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From joanealww at comcast.net Fri Jun 8 15:31:39 2007 From: joanealww at comcast.net (neal whiteford) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:31:39 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing & My $0.02 Worth In-Reply-To: <50e74d5a0706081219x67d9636bxc353c66326356ce5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200706082027.l58KRAcm024396@mormonstoday.propagation.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. As a veteran of the IRS wars, I don't want those avaricious illegitimate buttheads to have an easy method to pull up a summary of how much is donated to the Church... collectively or individually. electronic files are easily pulled for review through the Federal reserve system. They have attempted to tax religious organizations in the past and there in nothing to say it will not happen in the future. E-tithing...not a good idea. admittedly they can still do a hand sort of payee information from the processed check but it is much harder. My opinion. > $$-----Original Message----- > $$From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner- > $$ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Phillips > $$Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:20 PM > $$To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com > $$Cc: Jeff Phillips > $$Subject: Re: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing > $$ > $$ > $$>From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > $$instructions and list URL. > $$ > $$On 6/8/07, Skier wrote: > $$> On Fri, June 8, 2007 1:29 pm, Don Fairchild wrote: > $$> > I agree with Jeff on this. What would happen if all the members > $$used a > $$> > bill pay service that just cut a check and sent it to the bishop? > $$The > $$> > financial clerk would get stuck writing up all the donation slips > $$every > $$> > week. > $$> > $$> It would be trivial to create a donation portal that accepts EFTs > $$while > $$> prompting for the slip information. > $$> > $$ > $$This is already in place. I don't know how it works on your end, but > $$when I login to my bank's website I get a list of boxes to type dollar > $$amounts in for Tithing, Fast Offering, Humanitarian Aid, General > $$Missionary, Book of Mormon, Perpetual Education Fund, along with my > $$gas bill, my electric bill, home mortgage, and credit card bill all on > $$one list. All I have to do is fill out how much to pay to who or what > $$all on a single page and click "pay now" at the bottom. Very easy. > $$ > $$The way the bank sees it is that each donation category is a different > $$"payee" in their database, even though they all belong to the church. > $$All this really means is that they are sending the ACH or EFT funds to > $$different bank account numbers depending on the fund category. The > $$membership record number is attached to the bank transaction and when > $$headquarters gets the funds they already have it received in different > $$bank accounts for the different categories, and they know who donated > $$it because the membership record number is part of the transaction > $$details. I don't know the details of how it works at the receiving > $$end, but I know they get fussy over whether the bank sent the > $$membership record number with or without its dashes present. So I'm > $$sure it's some sort of electronic batch that downloads the transaction > $$amounts from the bank and parses them out to post to the year end > $$reports for each member. > $$ > $$The church has all the information it needs as far as a membership > $$record number of the donor and the amount donated to fast offering > $$funds. I don't see why they couldn't generate a monthly report to > $$query the membership database to determine which unit number someone > $$is in, and summarize all of this information in the form of a credit > $$back to the appropriate unit or stake fast offering fund allocation. > $$ > $$For that matter they could setup another account to collect local ward > $$missionary fund donations at headquarters from the bank bill pay > $$services. When a bill pay transaction is received, they could just > $$setup their system to query the membership number for the member's > $$unit number, and then credit the transaction on the appropriate unit > $$financial statement. If they do that, I'd encourage them to also set > $$it up for "other" local donations as well -- they can reconcile it > $$with their local leaders what the money was for (ie, scout camp, etc.) > $$when it arrives. > $$ > $$But even in addition to the bank's online bill payment services, the > $$church also already has its own donation portal setup on > $$www.ldsphilanthropies.org website. They even take visa and mastercard > $$donations. However, this website only takes money for the following > $$fund categories: > $$ > $$Perpetual Education Fund > $$Humanitarian Services > $$Temple Missionary > $$Church History > $$BYU > $$BYU-Idaho > $$BYU-Hawaii and Polynesian Cultural Center > $$LDS Business College > $$ > $$Of course with this the church would have to pay the transaction fees > $$being the initiator of the transaction. Note that you can't pay > $$tithing or fast offering through this website which seems intentional. > $$They probably don't want anyone using a credit card to pay their > $$tithing, while using the bill pay service ensures that the member is > $$paying from the available funds in their checking account, and > $$provides the church with receiving the full amount with no fees. Also > $$with this site the member doesn't have to specify their membership > $$record number, so donations won't show up on their typical year end > $$receipt. They would just get a separate receipt for the donation by > $$its self on this site. > $$ > $$-Jeff > $$ > $$>From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > $$See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html > $$ > $$Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > $$To join: subscribe ldsclerks > $$To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > $$To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jeffp at jeffszone.com Fri Jun 8 15:42:56 2007 From: jeffp at jeffszone.com (Jeff Phillips) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:42:56 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing In-Reply-To: <20070608135306.p7a8a4wu84wsooc0@webmail.xmission.com> References: <20070607.231231.796.2.lajackson@juno.com> <50e74d5a0706072140w7f2fc8d3h18ef79e1bdc1bb96@mail.gmail.com> <50e74d5a0706080802w3a59a059x1589bacfbf4bef24@mail.gmail.com> <42010.70.228.227.21.1181326335.squirrel@75.126.28.138> <20070608135306.p7a8a4wu84wsooc0@webmail.xmission.com> Message-ID: <50e74d5a0706081342h77935c46g33ed110bedf94e23@mail.gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. On 6/8/07, wa7jos at xmission.com wrote: > > But consider this: You have a checking account; you still write a FEW > checks; the one you write to the Church every couple of weeks keeps > you in practice so you remember how. If we make it "automatic" like > the house payment, it just becomes a payroll deduction, and where's > the act of consecration in that? That's more like an obligation. > When I write a check, I'm making an overt and conscious effort to obey > the commandment to tithe. It reminds me of what I am doing and why. > I find that action rewarding. I've heard this argument several times before and I still disagree with it completely. I'm the one that tells the bank when and how much money to send to the church. Therefore I am consecrating these funds for that purpose in the time that I make such a decision. I fail to see how this is spiritually any less effective, or how there is any difference in consequence for me using a pen and paper to sign a check verses a mouse and keyboard to click it through. And the argument for when you set it up on an automatic reoccurring payment schedule -- I see that as just one more way to prove Ether 12:27 to be true, that in my weakness of being forgetful, I can still become strong in deciding to pay my tithing fully and consistently. -Jeff >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/index.html Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From embunker817 at msn.com Fri Jun 8 15:47:24 2007 From: embunker817 at msn.com (Eric Bunker) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 16:47:24 -0400 Subject: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I have some concerns about the tenor of this conversation. It is true that many of us would like to pay our contributions online and have it credited to our ward and stake as if we paid them in person. There is also a lot of other people who like it the way that it is The church set up the process of paying donation directly to the church headquarters for people who live/work outside of the US but are paid in US dollars, or who live away from a branch of the Church. Why the church has not set up a process to do EFT that gets recorded at the local level, I don't know. I know that they have many languages and countries and associated tax law along with exchange rates that need to be dealt with. Any such changes also have to be approved by the First Presidency which has always been very cautious. I don't know how to speed up the process to achieve a true EFT. I have heard that it is coming. Until then, because there is no connectivity yet with contribution made to SLC and ward level accounts, what bothers me is that when someone pays contributions directly to SLC without a real overriding need, it hinders the ability of local church leaders to use those funds as specified in the handbook that are earmarked for local use. In this fashion we are not sustaining our local leaders and surely are making their job a bit harder along with skewing contribution reports to the negative that they use to make decisions. I just can't imagine doing all of that under current circumstances because it is just more convenient for us. It seems kind of selfish. Eric Clerk Queen Creek Arizona Stake ----- Original Message ----- From: Erik Peterson To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Erik Peterson Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: LDSC: Electronic Payment of Tithing For me it is the convenience. I pay all my bills/tithing at once. I don't have to deal with writing the check or mailing it or remembering to bring the check to church. I think with online bill payment only getting more common, the church will likely adapt to it. The slip for a check from a bank service always seemed redundant to me. > I don't understand the benefit of using online bill payment services > if the end result is the same as writing a check. Why not just write > the check and give it to the bishop -- especially if you still have to > fill out a donation slip for it anyway? Then at least the two would be > kept together. > > The online banking services make a lot of sense to me if the funds are > going to be transferred electronic