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You may switch back and forth between these lists whenever you like. You can also join both the digest and normal list if you like. The two act like separate lists, except when you post - all posts go to ldsclerks, and they are then fed to ldsclerks-digest. The digest list includes the full text of all posts to ldsclerks. As a reminder, the basic subscribe and unsubscribe command instructions are summarized at the end of every post. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From texter44 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 14:49:49 2007 From: texter44 at yahoo.com (texter44) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:49:49 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Line of Authority Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I'm at home right now and won't be near a CHI for a few days, but I'm sure one of the sages in the discussion group knows the answer to this question: we have a High Priest who ordained his son an Elder just before he left on a mission, which is ending soon. The family wants to give the missionary a plaque listing his Line of Authority from his father on back. The HP wants to use the LOA from when he first received the Melchizedek Priesthood and was ordained an Elder, because that line goes back through his own father; my contention is that the line that should be used is through that of the authority who ordained him a High Priest since that is what he was when he ordained his own son. Any quick answers, folks? Mitch Borden >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From webmaster at byondf1.com Fri Mar 2 18:07:30 2007 From: webmaster at byondf1.com (Greg A. Anderson) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:07:30 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Line of Authority In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000401c75d27$f2181240$a901a8c0@frp.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. You would be correct. The LOA is the Line of the Authority used to do an ordination so it would be the Priesthood office he held at the time of the ordination. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of texter44 Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 12:50 PM To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: texter44 Subject: LDSC: Line of Authority >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I'm at home right now and won't be near a CHI for a few days, but I'm sure one of the sages in the discussion group knows the answer to this question: we have a High Priest who ordained his son an Elder just before he left on a mission, which is ending soon. The family wants to give the missionary a plaque listing his Line of Authority from his father on back. The HP wants to use the LOA from when he first received the Melchizedek Priesthood and was ordained an Elder, because that line goes back through his own father; my contention is that the line that should be used is through that of the authority who ordained him a High Priest since that is what he was when he ordained his own son. Any quick answers, folks? Mitch Borden >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajackson at juno.com Fri Mar 2 18:25:42 2007 From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:25:42 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Line of Authority Message-ID: <20070302.182546.1416.0.lajackson@juno.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Mitch Borden: . . . my contention is that the line that should be used is through that of the authority who ordained him a High Priest since that is what he was when he ordained his own son. _______________ Line of authority is traced through the priesthood office held at the time of the ordination (elder, high priest, or apostle). And I would put it on a piece of paper in a letter to the missionary, not on a plaque on the wall, but that is my personal preference. I can't get to the citation until morning. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From drepouille at hotmail.com Fri Mar 2 18:29:01 2007 From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:29:01 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Wireless MLS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003d01c75d2a$f09eff70$0301a8c0@3nnwq61> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. My FM Director prefers wireless to wired connections for the administrative computers. If my stake center does not currently have any wireless equipment, what sort of wireless router, wireless access point, and wireless adapters should we purchase? Does the Church care? The Global Support Desk mentioned an "Odyssey Client" for wireless access, but I don't know what that is. I thought we were supposed to use Cisco Aronet devices. The GSD said that wireless devices were currently being reviewed by the Brethren, and a new standard may be established in the coming months. I'm really not sure what I should tell me FM Director. We have five chapels in our stake that have FHCs and Cisco Pix routers. I really want to connect the clerks' computers to those networks after I have installed the new Desktop image. Dana >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From bordenjr at knology.net Fri Mar 2 19:10:05 2007 From: bordenjr at knology.net (Mitch Borden) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:10:05 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Line of Authority In-Reply-To: <20070302.182546.1416.0.lajackson@juno.com> References: <20070302.182546.1416.0.lajackson@juno.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070302200810.03672688@knology.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. At 07:25 PM 3/2/2007, you wrote: > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > instructions and list URL. > >Mitch Borden: > >. . . my contention is that the line that should be used is through >that of the authority who ordained him a High Priest since that is >what he was when he ordained his own son. > >_______________ > >Line of authority is traced through the priesthood office held at >the time of the ordination (elder, high priest, or apostle). > >And I would put it on a piece of paper in a letter to the missionary, >not on a plaque on the wall, but that is my personal preference. > >I can't get to the citation until morning. > >Larry Jackson > > Oh, I'm sure he has the typewritten LOA already, Larry . . . this is just something his family thought might be nice for him to have as a memento for having been the first of that generation in the family to have completed a successful mission. His ward already gives them the missionary plaque that has hung on the wall while he was on his mission. Mitch Borden >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From w.clausen at comcast.net Fri Mar 2 19:10:45 2007 From: w.clausen at comcast.net (William J. Clausen) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:10:45 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Line of Authority In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200703030110.l231AeKl027463@mormonstoday.propagation.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Just my spin, but I've always thought my LOA to be when I was ordained a High Priest. However my father also ordained me as an Elder, so I get correct line either way. :] -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of texter44 Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 1:50 PM To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: texter44 Subject: LDSC: Line of Authority >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I'm at home right now and won't be near a CHI for a few days, but I'm sure one of the sages in the discussion group knows the answer to this question: we have a High Priest who ordained his son an Elder just before he left on a mission, which is ending soon. The family wants to give the missionary a plaque listing his Line of Authority from his father on back. The HP wants to use the LOA from when he first received the Melchizedek Priesthood and was ordained an Elder, because that line goes back through his own father; my contention is that the line that should be used is through that of the authority who ordained him a High Priest since that is what he was when he ordained his own son. Any quick answers, folks? Mitch Borden >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From bordenjr at knology.net Fri Mar 2 19:14:07 2007 From: bordenjr at knology.net (Mitch Borden) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:14:07 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Line of Authority In-Reply-To: <000401c75d27$f2181240$a901a8c0@frp.com> References: <000401c75d27$f2181240$a901a8c0@frp.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070302201242.0365f580@knology.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. At 07:07 PM 3/2/2007, you wrote: > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > instructions and list URL. > >You would be correct. The LOA is the Line of the Authority used to do an >ordination so it would be the Priesthood office he held at the time of the >ordination. > >-----Original Message----- Thanks, Greg . . . I was pretty certain I was on solid ground there. I just didn't want to tell this HP something couldn't back up -- and have my solid ground turn into a quagmire! Mitch Borden >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 20:38:27 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:38:27 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Line of Authority In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. A non-authoritative reply, but when I read my LOA, it's full of "ordained a High Priest" and not "ordained a Elder". On 3/2/07, texter44 wrote: > > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > > I'm at home right now and won't be near a CHI for a few days, but I'm > sure one of the sages in the discussion group knows the answer to this > question: we have a High Priest who ordained his son an Elder just > before he left on a mission, which is ending soon. The family wants to > give the missionary a plaque listing his Line of Authority from his > father on back. The HP wants to use the LOA from when he first > received the Melchizedek Priesthood and was ordained an Elder, because > that line goes back through his own father; my contention is that the > line that should be used is through that of the authority who ordained > him a High Priest since that is what he was when he ordained his own > son. > > Any quick answers, folks? > > Mitch Borden > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 20:49:20 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:49:20 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Wireless MLS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > My FM Director prefers wireless to wired connections for the administrative > computers. > FM Director? If you're talking about the FH Director, it's not their network. If you're talking about the FM Group, then they need to have a little chat with their leaders. This is something the FM group is to do following the church's standards. This isn't a "what do we install" question. My personal preference is for a wired network. Wireless is only a secure as the encryption (which keeps getting broken) and is subject to disruption from reflections, objects getting between the AP and the computer, and interference such as from the microwave in the kitchen. By in large, wired networks you just jack in. Wireless networks have all the problems of the wired ones plus all the added software and settings that goes with it. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From bordenjr at knology.net Fri Mar 2 21:02:56 2007 From: bordenjr at knology.net (Mitch Borden) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 22:02:56 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Line of Authority In-Reply-To: <200703030110.l231AeKl027463@mormonstoday.propagation.net> References: <200703030110.l231AeKl027463@mormonstoday.propagation.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070302220128.03601e88@knology.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. At 08:10 PM 3/2/2007, you wrote: > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > instructions and list URL. > > > >Just my spin, but I've always thought my LOA to be when I was ordained a >High Priest. However my father also ordained me as an Elder, so I get >correct line either way. :] > > >-----Original Message----- Well, therein lies the rub. The HP was ordained an Elder by HIS father and wanted to have THAT LOA used -- but he was halfway across the country when he was called to the Bishopric in his ward and thus was ordained a HP by a member of the Stake Presidency there. Mitch Borden >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From drepouille at hotmail.com Sat Mar 3 07:44:15 2007 From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 08:44:15 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Wireless MLS Message-ID: <001101c75d9a$08d40d50$0301a8c0@3nnwq61> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Here is the response from my FM. -----Original Message----- Brother Repouille, I have contacted Physical Facilities to determine what my role, with clerks accessing the internet, is to be. The reason I questioned this was because I never received any direction from Physical Facilities to make this change, as is generally the case in all changes in proceedures. The direction I was given, was that this is intended to be handled, funding and coordination, by the Stake. Facilities Management just needs to understand what is happening in the building. Also I was told that any questions you may have can be directed to the Global Services Help Desk 1-800-453-3867 ex.24357. If you encounter conflicting directions please let me know. >>> From: "Dana Repouille" I believe the Church sent this message to all stake technology specialists, not just to me. This is not a pilot program. I do know that the Church is extremely concerned about the security of wireless networks. From what I have read, the Church has used the Cisco Aronet device in many FHCs. I am not sure if that is what they installed in the Shenandoah chapel, but I do know that the Shenandoah FHC is not using a wireless network. To use the Cisco Aronet, you must install special software and use a special security key to ensure a private network. Other concerns are cost and range. In the CB stake center, we might have to install one wireless access point on the stake side, and another on the ward side of the building. These access points need to be fairly close to the clerks' offices, so you still need to run a cable to that end of the building somehow. The Cisco Pix router we are using is a four-port router. Three of the ports are used by the stake FHC. The other port is or was wired to the spare bishop's office or the spare clerk's office, but I guess that didn't work for Roger Bond. If we use wired connections, we need to buy a hub or a switch to increase the number of ports available. If we use wireless connections, we need to purchase wireless access points and wireless adapters. Another concern is that the Cisco Pix in the stake center only provides up to ten IP addresses. I can call the Global Support Desk and ask them to increase the license so the Pix can provide more than ten IP addresses, for both the FHC and the clerk computers. I will try to remember to call Local Unit Support (800-453-3860 x23500) tomorrow to ask them about these issues. DAR -----Original Message----- From: FM Bro. Repouille, I have not had any communication sent to me, but it appears you have. Please explain what the Church is asking of you and me. Is the CB Stake a pilot program, becuase I have not been approached by any other people from other stakes? If Church Technology Support is satisfied with wireless access to the CCN, I don't think we should pull wires (but as you can see I don't know what they have told you). Please help me understand what is happening and what I have been asked to do. >>> From: "Dana Repouille" Here is more information about connecting our clerks' computers to the Internet. We currently have Cisco PIX routers (firewalls) in the CB stake center, Logan, Atlantic, Glenwood, and Shenandoah. I believe wireless access points have already been installed in the clerk's office in Shenandoah, but I don't have the software necessary to secure a wireless connection there. I would rather see a wired Ethernet connection, if possible, between the Cisco PIX and the clerk's computer. I know that costs money for cabling and installation, but it is much more reliable and secure than a wireless connection. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From clerk.crescent at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 07:58:11 2007 From: clerk.crescent at gmail.com (Alan Brown) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 08:58:11 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Wireless MLS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7378de6f0703030558r6af2074dy3837b240e4e1f2b4@mail.gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. On 3/2/07, Dana Repouille wrote: > The Global Support Desk mentioned an "Odyssey Client" for wireless access, > but I don't know what that is. I thought we were supposed to use Cisco > Aronet devices. The GSD said that wireless devices were currently being > reviewed by the Brethren, and a new standard may be established in the > coming months. > > I'm really not sure what I should tell me FM Director. We have five chapels > in our stake that have FHCs and Cisco Pix routers. I really want to connect > the clerks' computers to those networks after I have installed the new > Desktop image. I spoke with my FM Group Manager, and it appears that at least in my area there is significant confusion on this topic. There are three entities involved, and they are all trying to do their best, but they are getting different directions or have different perspectives. 1. The MLS Support team sent out a message I'm sure many of us got that implied that if we had Desktop 5.5 installed and we had an FHC with a Cisco Pix firewall, we could connect the administrative computers to the FHC. I followed up to clarify this, and MLS Support said that such units "are authorized to use that secure high speed CCN." They didn't tell me (even though I explicitly asked) HOW to connect or how to configure MLS to work in that mode. 2. So I called the Global Help Desk. Their first reply was that we couldn't connect, but then the rep put me on hold and talked to his supervisor, and came back and said that yes, we could. He said we would need yet another Cisco router in addition to the one in the FHC, and that "The FM needs to call us to order the necessary equipment (cisco PIX for the administrative computers). The FM will call us to be able to hook that up." It seems odd to install another router when there is already one in the FHC, and when the MLS Support message seemed to make the existence of the FHC router a requirement. 3. So I called the FM Group. The manager told me that a large group of FM Group managers had met with Bishop Burton just last week and he told them that Internet connections were NOT authorized for administrative computers. The manager listened to my request and asked me to forward my various emails to him so that he could forward them to his Regional Facilities Manager, but the bottom line right now is "The FM Groups have not been made aware of funds available for this, nor its authorization." So we have all this hardware (wireless access points from the FHC and related cabling) that was installed over a year ago for the express purpose of connecting administrative computers, but we can't yet use it. I'm stuck waiting for the FM Group, who is getting information quite different from MLS Support or the Global Service Desk. Alan Brown Assistant Stake Clerk Sandy Utah Crescent Stake >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From drepouille at hotmail.com Sat Mar 3 08:08:36 2007 From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 09:08:36 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Wireless MLS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001c75d9d$6f6dbd60$0301a8c0@3nnwq61> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Russell, That is exactly what I told my Facilities Manager. I prefer a wired connection, while he prefers a wireless connection. The problem is that only three of the five chapels in my stake that have FHCs also have a wireless router. I asked the GSD which wireless router THEY want me to use in the other two chapels, but they could not tell me. They just mentioned something called the Odyssey Client, which they would help me to install and configure. I can't follow Church standards if the Church doesn't know what the standard is. Dana -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Russell Hltn > My FM Director prefers wireless to wired connections for the > administrative computers. > FM Director? If you're talking about the FH Director, it's not their network. If you're talking about the FM Group, then they need to have a little chat with their leaders. This is something the FM group is to do following the church's standards. This isn't a "what do we install" question. My personal preference is for a wired network. Wireless is only a secure as the encryption (which keeps getting broken) and is subject to disruption from reflections, objects getting between the AP and the computer, and interference such as from the microwave in the kitchen. By in large, wired networks you just jack in. Wireless networks have all the problems of the wired ones plus all the added software and settings that goes with it. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From w.clausen at comcast.net Sat Mar 3 08:50:50 2007 From: w.clausen at comcast.net (William J. Clausen) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 09:50:50 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Wireless MLS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200703031450.l23Eon4j019107@mormonstoday.propagation.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. IMHO, Cisco LEAP authentication is superior, but here is an article from Juniper Networks that will get you up to speed on Odyssey... http://www.juniper.net/products_and_services/aaa_and_802_1x/odyssey/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Dana Repouille Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 7:09 AM To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Dana Repouille Subject: RE: LDSC: Wireless MLS >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Russell, That is exactly what I told my Facilities Manager. I prefer a wired connection, while he prefers a wireless connection. The problem is that only three of the five chapels in my stake that have FHCs also have a wireless router. I asked the GSD which wireless router THEY want me to use in the other two chapels, but they could not tell me. They just mentioned something called the Odyssey Client, which they would help me to install and configure. I can't follow Church standards if the Church doesn't know what the standard is. Dana -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Russell Hltn > My FM Director prefers wireless to wired connections for the > administrative computers. > FM Director? If you're talking about the FH Director, it's not their network. If you're talking about the FM Group, then they need to have a little chat with their leaders. This is something the FM group is to do following the church's standards. This isn't a "what do we install" question. My personal preference is for a wired network. Wireless is only a secure as the encryption (which keeps getting broken) and is subject to disruption from reflections, objects getting between the AP and the computer, and interference such as from the microwave in the kitchen. By in large, wired networks you just jack in. Wireless networks have all the problems of the wired ones plus all the added software and settings that goes with it. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jeremy at jkslade.net Sat Mar 3 11:22:41 2007 From: jeremy at jkslade.net (Jeremy Slade) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 12:22:41 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Powerline networking? Message-ID: <45E9AEE1.6030507@jkslade.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Does anyone have experience with the new generation of powerline networking equipment? I wonder how well that would work as an alternative to wireless networking within a church building? My understanding is that the network link is always encrypted, so it should be at least as secure as wireless. Seems like the biggest issue would be the range, if it could handle going from one side of a large stake center to another. The powerline network speeds aren't nearly as fast as normal wired ethernet connections, but should be plenty fast for simple internet access (where the incoming internet link will be the bottleneck). >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajackson at juno.com Sat Mar 3 11:31:01 2007 From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 12:31:01 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Line of Authority Message-ID: <20070303.120656.1708.1.lajackson@juno.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Mitch Borden: the first of that generation in the family to have completed a successful mission. His ward already gives them the missionary plaque that has hung on the wall while he was on his mission. _______________ If they want to do it for the LOA, go for it. No objection here. We also give them the missionary plaque when they return. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajackson at juno.com Sat Mar 3 11:35:05 2007 From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 12:35:05 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Line of Authority Message-ID: <20070303.120656.1708.2.lajackson@juno.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Mitch Borden: Well, therein lies the rub. The HP was ordained an Elder by HIS father and wanted to have THAT LOA used -- but he was halfway across the country when he was called to the Bishopric in his ward and thus was ordained a HP by a member of the Stake Presidency there. _______________ Alas, one of the untold miseries of serving in the Church. The same thing happened to me. I was ordained an elder by my father. And none of my sons have my father's name in their line of authority. When I called my father to tell him I had been ordained a high priest by my stake president, there was a moment of realization, reflection and sadness, along with a joy and understanding that something very special had taken place. My father understood that, while he had not actually ordained me, he had taught me and prepared me for that opportunity and responsibility. But, priesthood is priesthood, and all of the authority and blessings are still there. Besides, there are a few other famous priesthood leaders who do not have their father in their line of authority, including Enoch and Methuselah. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajackson at juno.com Sat Mar 3 12:00:58 2007 From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 13:00:58 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Wireless MLS Message-ID: <20070303.120656.1708.3.lajackson@juno.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Dana Repouille: Here is the response from my FM. I never received any direction from Physical Facilities to make this change, as is generally the case in all changes in proceedures. The direction I was given, was that this is intended to be handled, funding and coordination, by the Stake. Facilities Management just needs to understand what is happening in the building. _______________ A properly installed system in an approved FHC is the only currently authorized way for an Administrative computer to connect other than the current dialup. Ideally, the FM Group is responsible to take care of the physical part of the connection (wireless card, cat 5 wiring, whatever, to the FHC router). The stake computer specialist is responsible for the software part, although there is special software that will need to be added to the Admin computer to allow it to access the FHC network, and I have not yet been able to determine who has responsibility to get that software loaded. The FHC librarian did it in our FHC libraries, so the asst stake clerk (stake technology specialist) will probably have to do it for the Admin computers. Where he gets that software is still tbd, although I suspect it will come from Global Support. FM has not been told any of this. Global Support is not prepared to take on the added workload of the Admin computers on the network, and if your building does not have an approved Family History Center, you are still stuck with dialup. These are defining times. There is little defining going on, but the best instruction out there is the one that came in a post to this group from MLS Support FIN earlier this week (Wednesday, the 28th of February). Read it again. Here are the pertinent parts: A. 'Internet' connectivity on Church computers is only authorized if both of these conditions are met: - Secure Desktop 5.5 Image installed - Located in the same physical building as an authorized Church Communication Network (CCN) with a Church provided hardware firewall *UNITS THAT DO NOT MEET BOTH CONDITIONS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED TO CONNECT TO THE 'INTERNET.' B. You will need to contact your Facilities Manager to verify whether your unit has an authorized CCN with firewall. C. The FM group must approve of physical changes to the building (if needed) to accommodate usage of the CCN. Costs incurred for enabling administrative computers in the building to access the CCN (i.e. cabling, wireless cards) may be available from your FM group. If funding is not available from your FM Group, the Stake budget may be used with Stake President approval. If funding is not available from the FM Group or the Stake budget, you will not be able to fund internet connectivity. Donated funds or equipment are NOT authorized for this purpose. So, if you are not in a building with an approved FHC, forget it. If you are in a building with an approved FHC, check with the FM group to make sure it is an authorized CCN with the proper firewall. That is FM group responsibility, and it should already be set up that way. If it is not, they should be correcting it on behalf of the FHC anyway. (And as they do that, have them hook you up at the same time.) Find out if the FM group has funds to physically connect you. If they do, great. If they don't, find out if your stake president will authorize stake funds. If so, use them and have the FM group hook you up properly. Understand that the FM group does not have any communication on this matter that I know of at this time. Hopefully, that will change as we get Desktop 5.5 loaded and Salt Lake flows down the proper information through the proper channels. If you are eligible for high-speed access (FHC building and approved CCN), have the stake computer genius use the quote above to work with the brilliant FM folks to get it all sorted out and working. And pray for good weather. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 13:21:56 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (RussellHltn) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:21:56 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Powerline networking? In-Reply-To: <45E9AEE1.6030507@jkslade.net> Message-ID: <001701c75dc9$36273fa0$6401a8c0@cciclass4> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. >>> My understanding is that the network link is always encrypted, so it should be at least as secure as wireless. <<< If you're talking about the link provided by the power line networking device, I haven't heard anything like that. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 13:30:35 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (RussellHltn) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:30:35 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Wireless MLS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001801c75dca$6c435f00$6401a8c0@cciclass4> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. >>> I asked the GSD which wireless router THEY want me to use in the other two chapels, but they could not tell me. They just mentioned something called the Odyssey Client, which they would help me to install and configure. I can't follow Church standards if the Church doesn't know what the standard is. <<< I think the situation is changing rapidly and not everyone is getting the message at the same time. Personally I'd have the church supply all the equipment. It might take a little longer, but you'd be assured of being "correct". In all the stuff I've seen passed around, I've seen nothing that authorizes anyone to go out and buy the stuff - only who's budget may be tapped to pay for it. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 13:38:50 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (RussellHltn) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:38:50 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Wireless MLS In-Reply-To: <20070303.120656.1708.3.lajackson@juno.com> Message-ID: <001901c75dcb$92defce0$6401a8c0@cciclass4> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. >>> if your building does not have an approved Family History Center, you are still stuck with dialup. <<< About 98% correct. If the building has an Institute, FM Group office or something where there is a church *employee* office, then there's probably already an authorized Church Communication Network there. But for the vast majority, it will be the presence of an authorized FHC that will cause a CCN to be installed. And last I heard, the church wasn't authorizing any additional FHCs in North America. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jeremy at jkslade.net Sun Mar 4 08:04:11 2007 From: jeremy at jkslade.net (Jeremy Slade) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 09:04:11 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Powerline networking? Alternative to wireless In-Reply-To: <001701c75dc9$36273fa0$6401a8c0@cciclass4> References: <001701c75dc9$36273fa0$6401a8c0@cciclass4> Message-ID: <45EAD1DB.90200@jkslade.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Every product I've seen includes built-in encryption. I would consider powerline more secure than wireless since it at least requires physical access via a power outlet. I don't have any experience with these devices, but I expect setup and operation to be easier than a wireless network as well. For some overview information of powerline networking: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug_powerline_alliance RussellHltn wrote: >>From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > >>>> My understanding is that the network link is always encrypted, so it > should be at least as secure as wireless. <<< > > If you're talking about the link provided by the power line networking > device, I haven't heard anything like that. > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From bcooper at novell.com Sun Mar 4 09:36:57 2007 From: bcooper at novell.com (Brian Cooper) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 10:36:57 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Powerline networking? In-Reply-To: <45E9AEE1.6030507@jkslade.net> References: <45E9AEE1.6030507@jkslade.net> Message-ID: <45EA8529.D271.008C.0@novell.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I know someone who experimented with powerline networking in a building that already had a Family History Center. We wanted to teach a Family History Class on the far side of the building where the wireless didn't reach and thought this would be an ideal solution. Unfortunately, we ran into a snag - we could only reach part of the building. There is more than one power supply coming into the building, and they are, for all intents and purposes, completely separate. Power from the electrical utility is high-voltage two- or three-phase, which is brought in that way to the building, where a set of transformers step it down to the voltage we use. From there, the distribution panels supply it to different parts of the building as needed. I once saw one of these input leads fail, leaving the building partially powered. What this all means is that the power-line networking can only service the parts of the building that are on the same input lead. For us, that meant that we could network across half of the building, but the far classroom that we wanted to use was inaccessible. You can install bridges across the different segments of the power system, but that adds complexity, and you are left with a kludge that still isn't very fast. In the end, we just set up a temporary wireless access point for the duration of the class. Powerline networking might work for a private home, but I would be skeptical about proposing it as a general solution. Brian Cooper >>> Jeremy Slade 3/3/2007 10:22 AM >>> >>Does anyone have experience with the new generation of powerline networking equipment? I wonder how well that would work as an alternative to wireless networking within a church building? >>My understanding is that the network link is always encrypted, so it should be at least as secure as wireless. Seems like the biggest issue would be the range, if it could handle going from one side of a large stake center to another. The powerline network speeds aren't nearly as fast as normal wired ethernet connections, but should be plenty fast for simple internet access (where the incoming internet link will be the bottleneck). >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From bcooper at novell.com Sun Mar 4 09:58:58 2007 From: bcooper at novell.com (Brian Cooper) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 10:58:58 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Powerline networking? Alternative to wireless In-Reply-To: <45EAD1DB.90200@jkslade.net> References: <001701c75dc9$36273fa0$6401a8c0@cciclass4> <45EAD1DB.90200@jkslade.net> Message-ID: <45EA8A52.D271.008C.0@novell.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. >>> Jeremy Slade 3/4/2007 7:04 AM >>> >>.. I would consider powerline more secure than wireless since it at least requires physical access via a power outlet. Generally speaking that's true, but have you ever heard the 60-cycle hum from a power line coming through a radio? Power lines are also unshielded broadcast antennas, and a nefarious individual could capture the signal from a power line network if sufficiently motivated. >>For some overview information of powerline networking: >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug_powerline_alliance These are very good articles (the first one is LONG) - and they also bring up the discussion of noise transmission. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From tlwalker at nethere.com Sun Mar 4 11:10:33 2007 From: tlwalker at nethere.com (Tom Walker) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 12:10:33 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Powerline networking? Alternative to wireless In-Reply-To: <45EA8A52.D271.008C.0@novell.com> References: <001701c75dc9$36273fa0$6401a8c0@cciclass4> <45EAD1DB.90200@jkslade.net> <45EA8A52.D271.008C.0@novell.com> Message-ID: <45EAFD89.4050101@nethere.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. As far as those looking for Internet access it would depend on IF the "Power Line Net" adapters were using the same frequency band as standard wireless. Tom Walker Brian Cooper wrote: >>From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > > >>>>Jeremy Slade 3/4/2007 7:04 AM >>> >>>> >>>> >>>.. I would consider powerline more secure than wireless since it at least requires physical access via a power outlet. >>> >>> > >Generally speaking that's true, but have you ever heard the 60-cycle hum from a power line coming through a radio? Power lines are also unshielded broadcast antennas, and a nefarious individual could capture the signal from a power line network if sufficiently motivated. > > > >>>For some overview information of powerline networking: >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HomePlug_powerline_alliance >>> >>> > >These are very good articles (the first one is LONG) - and they also bring up the discussion of noise transmission. > > > >>From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. >See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ > >Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com >To join: subscribe ldsclerks >To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks >To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > > > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From rpyne at kinfolk.org Sun Mar 4 11:12:33 2007 From: rpyne at kinfolk.org (Richard Pyne) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 12:12:33 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Powerline networking? Alternative to wireless In-Reply-To: <45EA8A52.D271.008C.0@novell.com> References: <001701c75dc9$36273fa0$6401a8c0@cciclass4>, <45EAD1DB.90200@jkslade.net>, <45EA8A52.D271.008C.0@novell.com> Message-ID: <45EA9B91.26479.B038CB@rpyne.kinfolk.org> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. On 4 Mar 2007 at 8:58, Brian Cooper wrote: > Generally speaking that's true, but have you ever heard the 60-cycle hum > from a power line coming through a radio? Power lines are also unshielded > broadcast antennas, and a nefarious individual could capture the signal > from a power line network if sufficiently motivated. Not to mention the interference that it can cause to other radio services that may be used my people living close to the chapel. I am strong believer that wireless (or powerline) networking should be used ONLY where a wired connection is not reasonably possible. Every bit of wireless or broadband over powerline transmission adds to the overall RF noise polution that surrounds us. --Richard NZ7K >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajackson at juno.com Sun Mar 4 20:12:53 2007 From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:12:53 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Local Unit Desktop 5.5 Message-ID: <20070304.203540.2684.1.lajackson@juno.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Chuck Johnson: With the addition of Symantec and a firewall to our administrative computers, 256M just isn't enough any more. _______________ Well, I could be tacky and call SL to tell them that I do not have any compliant computers in our stake , since they all say they only have 248M and the guidelines on page 6, step 1 clearly say that if even one of the minimum requirements is not met, the computer is not capable of running the Local Unit Computer Desktop Software. My concern is that I do not have an installable backup of the current operating system for any of our boxes. I hope all the images work. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajackson at juno.com Sun Mar 4 20:20:58 2007 From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:20:58 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Dell Optiplex GX280 near disaster Message-ID: <20070304.203540.2684.2.lajackson@juno.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Dana Repouille: While reimaging a GX280 today, the Windows XP Pro Setup hung as it was "registering components." This is mentioned in the instructions, although at the wrong point in time. After cycling the power, Setup asked me the same questions. However, when I entered the unit number in the custom form, I received "Error 53 - file not found." _______________ Same with a GX620 I imaged this week. Only it hangs on "registering components" after CD4 is removed, asks for the typed in information again, and then gives the "Error 53 - file not found." I wonder if sticking CD4 back in would help if it happens again? I also noticed that all of the installs run after you login for the first time. Other than that, everything seems to work. Larry Jackson >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From drepouille at hotmail.com Sun Mar 4 20:58:08 2007 From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:58:08 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Dell Optiplex GX280 near disaster In-Reply-To: <20070304.203540.2684.2.lajackson@juno.com> References: <20070304.203540.2684.2.lajackson@juno.com> Message-ID: <000f01c75ed2$1aa34800$0301a8c0@3nnwq61> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I did another GX280 today, and it worked perfectly. It was identical to the GX280 that hung up, including the printer. Weird. Dana >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From arthurpsmith at gmail.com Sun Mar 4 21:37:01 2007 From: arthurpsmith at gmail.com (Arthur Smith) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:37:01 -0500 Subject: LDSC: HP Laserjet 1100 Message-ID: <98d3a3860703041937o1a43e0f5qa4ae0f0440aae1ae@mail.gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Ok, Chuck Johnson provided the key clue to my HP 1100 problem - "scroll WAY down in the list." It turns out the driver the computer had somehow settled on was calling itself "HP 1100". When I clicked through to the driver list, the selection list showed "HP 1100" and a few other miscellaneous HP drivers, but I didn't notice that this was just a small part of a huge list, which you could scroll through. Way way way up high on the list was "HP LaserJet 1100 (MS)", apparently a very different driver from the "HP 1100" I was using. With the new driver, all is well. If anybody else ran into this and purchased the extra memory for their HP 1100's, the (MS) driver has an "advanced" options tab that lets you set the memory level, which seems to help speed it up too. Thanks for all the help here! Arthur Smith >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From cwha at ldskc.org Sun Mar 4 22:46:20 2007 From: cwha at ldskc.org (Chuck Anderson) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:46:20 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Dell Optiplex GX280 near disaster In-Reply-To: <20070304.203540.2684.2.lajackson@juno.com> References: <20070304.203540.2684.2.lajackson@juno.com> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. That error seems to be normal -- yes, it occurs at a different place than in the SLC instructions. You just click "OK" on the Error 53" -- it doesn't mean anything. I had this same error condition on 5 out of 8 computers in our Stake -- everything is working just fine. Chuck Anderson cwha at ldskc.org On Mar 4, 2007, at 8:20 PM, Larry Jackson wrote: > >> From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription >> instructions and list URL. > > Dana Repouille: > > While reimaging a GX280 today, the Windows XP Pro Setup > hung as it was "registering components." This is mentioned > in the instructions, although at the wrong point in time. After > cycling the power, Setup asked me the same questions. > However, when I entered the unit number in the custom form, > I received "Error 53 - file not found." > > _______________ > > Same with a GX620 I imaged this week. Only it hangs on > "registering components" after CD4 is removed, asks for the > typed in information again, and then gives the "Error 53 - file > not found." > > I wonder if sticking CD4 back in would help if it happens again? > > I also noticed that all of the installs run after you login for the > first time. > > Other than that, everything seems to work. > > Larry Jackson > > > >> From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From drepouille at hotmail.com Mon Mar 5 05:39:55 2007 From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 06:39:55 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Dell Optiplex GX280 near disaster In-Reply-To: References: <20070304.203540.2684.2.lajackson@juno.com> Message-ID: <001b01c75f1a$fee57ef0$0301a8c0@3nnwq61> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Everything works fine, except the Computer Name is wrong, and I suspect the LANDesk node name is also wrong. It's easy to change the computer name, but I can't figure out how to correct the LANDesk node name. Dana -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Anderson Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 10:46 PM To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Larry Jackson; Chuck Anderson Subject: Re: LDSC: Re: Dell Optiplex GX280 near disaster >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. That error seems to be normal -- yes, it occurs at a different place than in the SLC instructions. You just click "OK" on the Error 53" -- it doesn't mean anything. I had this same error condition on 5 out of 8 computers in our Stake -- everything is working just fine. Chuck Anderson cwha at ldskc.org >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From lajackson at juno.com Mon Mar 5 06:46:44 2007 From: lajackson at juno.com (Larry Jackson) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 07:46:44 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Dell Optiplex GX280 near disaster Message-ID: <20070305.064650.1704.3.lajackson@juno.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Guess we'll have to let the LANDesk folks handle it, then. [grin] Larry Jackson On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 05:39:55 -0600 "Dana Repouille" writes: > > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription > instructions and list URL. > > Everything works fine, except the Computer Name is wrong, and I > suspect the > LANDesk node name is also wrong. It's easy to change the computer > name, but > I can't figure out how to correct the LANDesk node name. > > Dana >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jeffp at jeffszone.com Mon Mar 5 09:36:38 2007 From: jeffp at jeffszone.com (Jeff Phillips) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:36:38 -0500 Subject: LDSC: [Fwd: [ldsclerks] Digest Number 1515] Message-ID: <45EC3906.9090303@jeffszone.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. We have a pair of these powerline networking gadgets from Netgear. We have some outlets in the building we can't get coverage in, but fortunately the rooms we need work just fine. We have wireless coverage, but we can't use it for the intended application because we aren't connecting a computer, we're connecting a video phone--and it won't run the special software to access the wireless network, even though they have built in wifi support. We use the video phones for teaching institute classes to an outlying branch. -Jeff Posted by: "Brian Cooper" bcooper at novell.com Sun Mar 4, 2007 8:48 am (PST) >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I know someone who experimented with powerline networking in a building that already had a Family History Center. We wanted to teach a Family History Class on the far side of the building where the wireless didn't reach and thought this would be an ideal solution. Unfortunately, we ran into a snag - we could only reach part of the building. There is more than one power supply coming into the building, and they are, for all intents and purposes, completely separate. Power from the electrical utility is high-voltage two- or three-phase, which is brought in that way to the building, where a set of transformers step it down to the voltage we use. From there, the distribution panels supply it to different parts of the building as needed. I once saw one of these input leads fail, leaving the building partially powered. What this all means is that the power-line networking can only service the parts of the building that are on the same input lead. For us, that meant that we! could network across half of the building, but the far classroom that we wanted to use was inaccessible. You can install bridges across the different segments of the power system, but that adds complexity, and you are left with a kludge that still isn't very fast. In the end, we just set up a temporary wireless access point for the duration of the class. Powerline networking might work for a private home, but I would be skeptical about proposing it as a general solution. Brian Cooper >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jshawut at yahoo.com Tue Mar 6 08:14:16 2007 From: jshawut at yahoo.com (John M. Shaw) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:14:16 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Java Version Message-ID: <200703080044.l280iXUM001532@mormonstoday.propagation.net> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. All, With the upcoming DST I've been thinking about the Java version being used currently by our MLS. It currently is running 1.4.2 - Is this a standard for everyone or have you been updating the Java version as it's come out over the years? Does MLS run better/more effeciently under a newer Java version? -John >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jshawut at yahoo.com Tue Mar 6 08:24:26 2007 From: jshawut at yahoo.com (John M. Shaw) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:24:26 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Phone and Address Locator Message-ID: <20070306142426.748.qmail@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. All, As a newly more rigorous membership clerk I've been faithfully trying to track down missing information and missing people on the records. I have really been spinning my wheels and trying to find better/more efficient ways for greater success. What are some of the resources that you all use to help locate missing member information when it unknown. Is there a set of steps you all go through to find the issues of members: With a phone number but no address With an address and no phone number With neither an address nor a phone number (before sending the record back to CHQ as unknown) I've had varied success, but as I looked out on the Wiki and the archives of the list I couldn't find a well-defined list (with named resources) that would provide a clerk with a punch-list of to-do's before feeling good about sending the data on to CHQ. I intend to compile a list and get it added to the Wiki as well. -John >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From erik at chinesetools.com Tue Mar 6 11:17:41 2007 From: erik at chinesetools.com (Erik Peterson) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:17:41 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Account number Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Hello, I'm finance clerk for a newly created ward. I am ordering a stamp to use for endorsing donation checks. It will have the ward name, church name, "For Deposit Only" and an account number. However, looking at the deposit slip we use, I'm not sure what the account number is. Any advice on this would be very helpful. I know how to find the account number off of a check, but I don't think that is the same thing in this case. Thank you, Erik Peterson Pittsburgh 7th Ward >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From embunker817 at msn.com Tue Mar 6 12:26:36 2007 From: embunker817 at msn.com (Eric Bunker) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:26:36 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Account number References: Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. The church provides the stamp. Be patient. It generally comes with your financial setup package along with the bank deposit envelopes and deposit slips. If it didn't come as it should, call church headquarters. Eric Clerk Queen Creek Arizona Stake ----- Original Message ----- From: Erik Peterson To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Erik Peterson Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: LDSC: Account number Hello, I'm finance clerk for a newly created ward. I am ordering a stamp to use for endorsing donation checks. It will have the ward name, church name, "For Deposit Only" and an account number. However, looking at the deposit slip we use, I'm not sure what the account number is. Any advice on this would be very helpful. I know how to find the account number off of a check, but I don't think that is the same thing in this case. Thank you, Erik Peterson Pittsburgh 7th Ward >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 13:02:03 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (RussellHltn) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:02:03 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Account number In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000b01c76021$ee952ed0$6401a8c0@cciclass4> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. You might want to call CHQ. I'm not sure as you'd see the account number anywhere. -----Original Message----- From: owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com [mailto:owner-ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com] On Behalf Of Erik Peterson Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 7:18 AM To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Erik Peterson Subject: LDSC: Account number >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Hello, I'm finance clerk for a newly created ward. I am ordering a stamp to use for endorsing donation checks. It will have the ward name, church name, "For Deposit Only" and an account number. However, looking at the deposit slip we use, I'm not sure what the account number is. Any advice on this would be very helpful. I know how to find the account number off of a check, but I don't think that is the same thing in this case. Thank you, Erik Peterson Pittsburgh 7th Ward >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jeffp at jeffszone.com Tue Mar 6 13:12:55 2007 From: jeffp at jeffszone.com (Jeff Phillips) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:12:55 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Account number In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45EDBD37.8090002@jeffszone.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Erik Peterson wrote: > Hello, > > I'm finance clerk for a newly created ward. I am ordering a stamp > to use for endorsing donation checks. It will have the ward name, > church name, "For Deposit Only" and an account number. However, > looking at the deposit slip we use, I'm not sure what the account > number is. Any advice on this would be very helpful. > > I know how to find the account number off of a check, but I don't > think that is the same thing in this case. > > Thank you, > Erik Peterson > Pittsburgh 7th Ward > It is definately NOT the same account number as your dispursement checks, as those are drawn from Zion's 1st National under your unit number. There's two different ways this works. Some units deposit to a collective "deposit concentration account" held at a regional bank--an account which is shared by several units. Other units deposit to a local account opened under the stake's federal ID number at whatever bank is located near by. If you already were given deposit slips for the new ward, you could probably just call the local bank and ask them which part of the deposit slip is the account number. If the deposit slips you have were just some laying around from a different ward, I'd double check with the stake to make sure you are using the right deposit account. If they don't know, call the finance department. -Jeff >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From cwha at ldskc.org Tue Mar 6 15:29:47 2007 From: cwha at ldskc.org (Chuck Anderson) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:29:47 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Account number In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. My experience was that SLC sent us a new stamp right after I ordered one locally, when they changed us all to Bank of America. So, my advice is to check with the Church Finance Department before spending any local funds. Chuck Anderson cwha at ldskc.org On Mar 6, 2007, at 11:17 AM, Erik Peterson wrote: > >> From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription >> instructions and list URL. > > > Hello, > > I'm finance clerk for a newly created ward. I am ordering a > stamp to use for endorsing donation checks. It will have the ward > name, church name, "For Deposit Only" and an account number. > However, looking at the deposit slip we use, I'm not sure what the > account number is. Any advice on this would be very helpful. > > I know how to find the account number off of a check, but I don't > think that is the same thing in this case. > > Thank you, > Erik Peterson > Pittsburgh 7th Ward > >> From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From ls32795 at cableone.net Tue Mar 6 20:45:49 2007 From: ls32795 at cableone.net (Ron Pam) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:45:49 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Account number References: Message-ID: <007801c76062$b7358cf0$0300a8c0@Compaq3500> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. The stamp should be included with the initial order of checks and deposit slips. Perhaps it could be in a separate mailing, but it will show up. Call SLC to verify that it has been ordered/sent; they will need your new unit name and number, maybe also the stake's info too . . .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Peterson" To: Cc: "Erik Peterson" Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: LDSC: Account number > >>From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription >>instructions and list URL. > > > Hello, > > I'm finance clerk for a newly created ward. I am ordering a stamp to > use for endorsing donation checks. It will have the ward name, church > name, "For Deposit Only" and an account number. However, looking at the > deposit slip we use, I'm not sure what the account number is. Any advice > on this would be very helpful. > > I know how to find the account number off of a check, but I don't think > that is the same thing in this case. > > Thank you, > Erik Peterson > Pittsburgh 7th Ward > >>From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From clerk at m2safford.net Tue Mar 6 20:59:46 2007 From: clerk at m2safford.net (Stake Clerk) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:59:46 -0500 Subject: LDSC: New Unit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Hi, The next best thing to kidnapping Eric Bunker for a couple of hours is to post these questions here. . . We are organizing a new YSA Branch, and among other things need the computer and printer for the unit. I recall an "Information Systems Order Form," is that still the correct way to get the computer? Thanks. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 21:22:55 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:22:55 -0500 Subject: LDSC: New Unit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I think that may be outdated. Check with the FM group as things are going through them now. On 3/6/07, Stake Clerk wrote: > > >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > Hi, > > The next best thing to kidnapping Eric Bunker for a couple of hours is to > post these questions here. . . We are organizing a new YSA Branch, and > among other things need the computer and printer for the unit. I recall an > "Information Systems Order Form," is that still the correct way to get the > computer? > > Thanks. > > > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From drepouille at hotmail.com Tue Mar 6 21:25:33 2007 From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:25:33 -0500 Subject: LDSC: New Unit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007f01c76068$43b57820$0301a8c0@3nnwq61> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I don't think so. The last time we created a new unit, we had to request all such equipment from the local FM group. Dana in Omaha -----Original Message----- Hi, The next best thing to kidnapping Eric Bunker for a couple of hours is to post these questions here. . . We are organizing a new YSA Branch, and among other things need the computer and printer for the unit. I recall an "Information Systems Order Form," is that still the correct way to get the computer? Thanks. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From JshawUT at yahoo.com Wed Mar 7 07:29:12 2007 From: JshawUT at yahoo.com (Jshawut) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:29:12 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Java Version Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. All, With the upcoming DST I've been thinking about the Java version being used currently by our MLS. It currently is running 1.4.2 - Is this a standard for everyone or have you been updating the Java version as it's come out over the years? Does MLS run better/more effeciently under a newer Java version? -John >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From JshawUT at yahoo.com Wed Mar 7 07:30:32 2007 From: JshawUT at yahoo.com (Jshawut) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:30:32 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Phone and Address - Locating members Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. All, As a newly more rigorous membership clerk I've been faithfully trying to track down missing information and missing people on the records. I have really been spinning my wheels and trying to find better/more efficient ways for greater success. What are some of the resources that you all use to help locate missing member information when it unknown. Is there a set of steps you all go through to find the issues of members: With a phone number but no address With an address and no phone number With neither an address nor a phone number (before sending the record back to CHQ as unknown) I've had varied success, but as I looked out on the Wiki and the archives of the list I couldn't find a well-defined list (with named resources) that would provide a clerk with a punch-list of to-do's before feeling good about sending the data on to CHQ. I intend to compile a list and get it added to the Wiki as well. -John >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From clerk.crescent at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 07:58:28 2007 From: clerk.crescent at gmail.com (Alan Brown) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:58:28 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Phone and Address - Locating members In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7378de6f0703070558h2057ed13hb70ddfe1a8e2fd72@mail.gmail.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. On 3/7/07, Jshawut wrote: > As a newly more rigorous membership clerk I've been faithfully trying > to track down missing information and missing people on the records. > I have really been spinning my wheels and trying to find better/more > efficient ways for greater success. On the wiki there is a page called "Locating Members" (http://www.mormonstoday.com/ldsclerks/index.php/Locating_Members). It was captured from a set of posts to this list on Sept 26-27, 2006. I'd recommend that you start there. And then I very much appreciate you thinking of the wiki and adding to the knowledge there. The current article is rather web-oriented, and there are many other useful resources. Alan Brown Assistant Stake Clerk Sandy Utah Crescent Stake >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From jwtaber at juno.com Wed Mar 7 08:10:20 2007 From: jwtaber at juno.com (John Taber) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:10:20 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Phone and Address - Locating members Message-ID: <20070307.061104.29020.1636027@webmail43.lax.untd.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Phone number and no address: http://www.anywho.com/rl will give a name and address listed with that number, if any. Address and no phone: When I was ward membership clerk, and got a record like that, I called Information immediately to see if there was a number to be had. In any event, go to the white pages at http://www.anywho.com and put in the surname, street name, city and state and see what you can find. No address or phone: The longest you want to sit on a record like this is a month, certainly get them out before the end of the quarter. I punch in first and last name, and date of birth, at http://www.usa-people-search.com to get some clues. (I do this also for the previous scenarios if I can't get a result.) Sometimes I get a result there, usually I don't, but it does point me toward some possibilities. -- "Jshawut" wrote: All, As a newly more rigorous membership clerk I've been faithfully trying to track down missing information and missing people on the records. I have really been spinning my wheels and trying to find better/more efficient ways for greater success. What are some of the resources that you all use to help locate missing member information when it unknown. Is there a set of steps you all go through to find the issues of members: With a phone number but no address With an address and no phone number With neither an address nor a phone number (before sending the record back to CHQ as unknown) I've had varied success, but as I looked out on the Wiki and the archives of the list I couldn't find a well-defined list (with named resources) that would provide a clerk with a punch-list of to-do's before feeling good about sending the data on to CHQ. I intend to compile a list and get it added to the Wiki as well. -John >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From ewells at novell.com Wed Mar 7 10:26:21 2007 From: ewells at novell.com (Earle Wells) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:26:21 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Phone and Address - Locating members In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45EE8606.420C.0048.0@novell.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. What worked for me was to simply contact the members. If I had a phone number, I'd call them. If I had an address, I'd stop by their home and meet them. Without either, I'd try to look them up in the phone book. If they weren't listed, I'd call whoever was listed by the same last name in our area and ask if they knew them. Usually, I'd be able to find them. If not, I sent the record back. Earle >>> "Jshawut" 03/07/07 6:30 AM >>> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. All, As a newly more rigorous membership clerk I've been faithfully trying to track down missing information and missing people on the records. I have really been spinning my wheels and trying to find better/more efficient ways for greater success. What are some of the resources that you all use to help locate missing member information when it unknown. Is there a set of steps you all go through to find the issues of members: With a phone number but no address With an address and no phone number With neither an address nor a phone number (before sending the record back to CHQ as unknown) I've had varied success, but as I looked out on the Wiki and the archives of the list I couldn't find a well- defined list (with named resources) that would provide a clerk with a punch- list of to- do's before feeling good about sending the data on to CHQ. I intend to compile a list and get it added to the Wiki as well. - John >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks- digest >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From tlwalker at nethere.com Wed Mar 7 10:57:46 2007 From: tlwalker at nethere.com (Tom Walker) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:57:46 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Account number In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45EEEF0A.8080806@nethere.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Unless things have Changed you get/order the Endorsement Stamp from Salt Lake. Although IF you are using a LOCAL Deposit bank you might deal with them. Although I normally don't recommend it because it is SO frustrating but you might need to play a little "Phone Tag" with Salt Lake. Tom Walker Erik Peterson wrote: > >> From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription >> instructions and list URL. > > > > Hello, > > I'm finance clerk for a newly created ward. I am ordering a stamp > to use for endorsing donation checks. It will have the ward name, > church name, "For Deposit Only" and an account number. However, > looking at the deposit slip we use, I'm not sure what the account > number is. Any advice on this would be very helpful. > > I know how to find the account number off of a check, but I don't > think that is the same thing in this case. > > Thank you, > Erik Peterson > Pittsburgh 7th Ward > >> From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From archimel_of_leafcull at hotmail.com Wed Mar 7 11:16:32 2007 From: archimel_of_leafcull at hotmail.com (zeblonite) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:16:32 -0500 Subject: LDSC: HQ Membership Office Address? Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I need to send something to the membership office but can't find the address. Anyone have it? >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 11:41:51 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (RussellHltn) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:41:51 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Phone and Address - Locating members In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c760df$e4e20660$6401a8c0@cciclass4> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. >>> With a phone number but no address <<< There are various reverse phone number lookup places, Including Google. Just put the phone number in this format (800) 555-1212 into the search engine and look at the first thing that comes up. The phone company used to have a reverse lookup at well. Before sending a record back to CHQ, I would suggest that the name be brought up in the Ward Correlation meeting. You never know but what someone (like the RS Pres or EQ Pres) will know someone who knows that person. >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From archimel_of_leafcull at hotmail.com Wed Mar 7 11:41:58 2007 From: archimel_of_leafcull at hotmail.com (zeblonite) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:41:58 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Phone and Address - Locating members In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. First, I recommend using your priesthood quorums. Get the Elders and HPs to visit/call so you don't have to do all the legwork yourself. You need to be clear about what information you want them to collect or they'll typically report information like "yeah, they still live there" instead of getting the missing phone numbers, additional family members, birthdates, etc. Make sure they report incorrect information as well, such as phone numbers that are no longer valid. Second, use the web. Use resources like www.whitepages.com. Again, get the quorums to help with this. Third, discuss the issue in PEC or ward council. Mention specific people, see whether anyone knows the families in question. A lot of times the primary will know about a family that no one else has really had contact with. You'll always have imperfect records. Even the best efforts will leave some loose ends. - Darryl --- In ldsclerks at yahoogroups.com, "Jshawut" wrote: > > All, > > As a newly more rigorous membership clerk I've been faithfully trying > to track down missing information and missing people on the records. > I have really been spinning my wheels and trying to find better/more > efficient ways for greater success. What are some of the resources > that you all use to help locate missing member information when it > unknown. Is there a set of steps you all go through to find the > issues of members: > > With a phone number but no address > With an address and no phone number > With neither an address nor a phone number (before sending the record > back to CHQ as unknown) > > I've had varied success, but as I looked out on the Wiki and the > archives of the list I couldn't find a well-defined list (with named > resources) that would provide a clerk with a punch-list of to-do's > before feeling good about sending the data on to CHQ. I intend to > compile a list and get it added to the Wiki as well. > > -John > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From archimel_of_leafcull at hotmail.com Wed Mar 7 11:57:20 2007 From: archimel_of_leafcull at hotmail.com (zeblonite) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:57:20 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Local Unit Desktop 5.5 In-Reply-To: <45DC77B1.5000307@nethere.com> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > NOT the way I see it. "Church" use is NOT private > and in almost ALL > cases would be a Violation of the License. It's both legal and moral as I see it. Legally, the license uses words like "intended" and "should consider." The license places no legal restriction on the software's use. In addition, "private" is often used to mean "non- commercial", which church use most certainly is. No matter how you interpret "private", non-private use is not a violation of the license. Morally, the wording of the license sounds to me like they are saying "use it anywhere you want, but we hope you'll buy the upgrade if you use it in a commerical environment." The freeware is nothing more than advertising for their paid product. If you don't need the advanced features of the paid product then you have no moral obligation to buy it, nor do you have a moral obligation to stop using the free version. It isn't shareware, it isn't trialware, it's freeware. - Darryl > RussellHltn wrote: > > > >Not sure how to take the license: > > > >COPYRIGHT & LICENSE > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >TreeSize is freeware, which means you can use TreeSize without charge and > >distribute the complete archive. TreeSize is intended for private use. > >People who use TreeSize at work should consider using TreeSize Professional, > >which offers a lot of additional features. > > > > > >I guess it's legal to use at church. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-ldsclerks at ... > >[mailto:owner-ldsclerks at ...] On Behalf Of Jim Cullison > >Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 6:32 PM > >To: ldsclerks at ... > >Cc: Jim Cullison > >Subject: Re: LDSC: Re: Local Unit Desktop 5.5 > > > >Try out TreeSize http://www.jam- software.com/freeware/index.shtml. I've > >found it handy to show me where the space in a directory tree is really > >coming from. Then maybe you'll have more files you can ask support about > >whether to kill. > > > >Jim > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From erik at chinesetools.com Wed Mar 7 12:16:16 2007 From: erik at chinesetools.com (Erik Peterson) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:16:16 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Account number In-Reply-To: <45EEEF0A.8080806@nethere.com> References: <45EEEF0A.8080806@nethere.com> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Thank you to all who replied. After calling the church, I found that stamps can be ordered by phone in the same way as ordering new checks and deposit slips. Our new stamp should be on its way. Erik Peterson On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:57:46 -0800 Tom Walker wrote: > Unless things have Changed you get/order the Endorsement Stamp from Salt >Lake. > Although IF you are using a LOCAL Deposit bank you might deal with them. > Although I normally don't recommend it because it is SO frustrating but >you might need to play a little "Phone Tag" with Salt Lake. > > Tom Walker > > Erik Peterson wrote: > >> >>> From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription >>> instructions and list URL. >> >> >> >> Hello, >> >> I'm finance clerk for a newly created ward. I am ordering a stamp >> to use for endorsing donation checks. It will have the ward name, >> church name, "For Deposit Only" and an account number. However, >> looking at the deposit slip we use, I'm not sure what the account >> number is. Any advice on this would be very helpful. >> >> I know how to find the account number off of a check, but I don't >> think that is the same thing in this case. >> >> Thank you, >> Erik Peterson >> Pittsburgh 7th Ward >> >>> From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. >> >> See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ >> >> Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com >> To join: subscribe ldsclerks >> To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks >> To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest >> >> >> >> >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From Go4milk at aol.com Wed Mar 7 12:39:12 2007 From: Go4milk at aol.com (Big Al) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 13:39:12 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Web Calendar Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Has anyone else noticed that the web calendar has a problem? Many of my ward events are an hour later than first scheduled. Some of those events without a time frame, have gone to 1:01 AM. Stake and church wide events times are also corrupted. I hope it is a temporary thing. Alex Lacy >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From embunker817 at msn.com Wed Mar 7 13:41:40 2007 From: embunker817 at msn.com (Eric Bunker) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:41:40 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Re: Phone and Address - Locating members References: Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I always did the internet search thing first using phone listings and any information base that I can think of including a general Google search for a name. If the county recorders in your area have documents on the net, you can look at the property tax records. The next best and fastest process is to generate a list to be handed out in Ward Council for the HP Group, EL quorums and RS that notes those who don't have addresses or phone numbers. All of these people should have home and or visiting teachers assigned, so it is the responsibility for the home and visiting teachers to find that out. If they don't have them assigned, then those presidencies should be spending their time finding such things out for you. The bishop, with those lists can make specific assignments and ask for a return and report. This is a major reason that ward councils exist. (See the new CHI on Ward Councils.) Personally, I would ask to be included in the ward councils that the lists are passed out and there when the return and report is scheduled. If you have Full-time missionaries assigned in your ward, they can also be of a great deal of help. It gives them some reasons to talk to a lot of people However, in some smaller wards, where the priesthood is stretched very thin, clerks have a difficult time getting ward councils to be of much assistance. Such is not ideal and not according to the CHI, but is a reality, so in that case a clerk may choose to take it upon himself the make those contacts. However, I found it more productive to teach and train the ward council, even though it may take a bit, that to try to do it all myself. With all the internet searches complete, if the only option is for you to do the contacts, then start doing them. Use the phone first and then do personal visits. You can also go the the county recorders office and look for records under their name. You can go to a local library and look at the Cole's directory if they have one in their reference section. If they have moved recently, then you can use the return service requested feature from the post office. ( See the USPS site for specific instructions.) One idea is to send out your most recient ward newsletter via mail and see which ones come back and which don't. If they don't come back, then it is a good chance they are at the listed address or the people there know where they are at. Eric Clerk Queen Creek Arizona Stake ----- Original Message ----- From: Jshawut To: ldsclerks at MormonsToday.com Cc: Jshawut Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 6:30 AM Subject: LDSC: Phone and Address - Locating members All, As a newly more rigorous membership clerk I've been faithfully trying to track down missing information and missing people on the records. I have really been spinning my wheels and trying to find better/more efficient ways for greater success. What are some of the resources that you all use to help locate missing member information when it unknown. Is there a set of steps you all go through to find the issues of members: With a phone number but no address With an address and no phone number With neither an address nor a phone number (before sending the record back to CHQ as unknown) I've had varied success, but as I looked out on the Wiki and the archives of the list I couldn't find a well-defined list (with named resources) that would provide a clerk with a punch-list of to-do's before feeling good about sending the data on to CHQ. I intend to compile a list and get it added to the Wiki as well. -John >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From mark_werner at byu.edu Wed Mar 7 13:53:50 2007 From: mark_werner at byu.edu (Mark Werner) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:53:50 -0500 Subject: LDSC: DST problem on Web calendar Message-ID: <001701c760f2$5393dd60$fabb9820$@edu> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. FYI, I happened to look at our stake calendar on the Web last night and noticed that there are some interesting Daylight Saving Time problems. From March 11 to April 1, all events that didn't have a time now say 1:01 AM. The individual events during that time are an hour late--but, interestingly, the repeating events are okay. So I shot off an e-mail to SLC and just got this response: -----Original Message----- We are aware of this. The calendars should be corrected by March 12. We apologize for the inconvenience. MSR Support Staff >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From cwha at ldskc.org Wed Mar 7 19:10:24 2007 From: cwha at ldskc.org (Chuck Anderson) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:10:24 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Web Calendar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. If you look a little closer, you will see that the last half of March 2007 is the "only" month that has the times messed up. All is o.k. in April and beyond. SLC says they will have it fixed within a few days. Chuck Anderson cwha at ldskc.org On Mar 7, 2007, at 12:39 PM, Big Al wrote: > >> From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription >> instructions and list URL. > > > Has anyone else noticed that the web calendar has a problem? Many of > my ward events are an hour later than first scheduled. Some of those > events without a time frame, have gone to 1:01 AM. Stake and church > wide events times are also corrupted. I hope it is a temporary thing. > > Alex Lacy > > >> From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. > See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ > > Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com > To join: subscribe ldsclerks > To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks > To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From tlwalker at nethere.com Wed Mar 7 21:04:36 2007 From: tlwalker at nethere.com (Tom Walker) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:04:36 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Phone and Address - Locating members In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45EF7D44.8000908@nethere.com> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Sadly the Priesthood doesn't work that way in my Ward. MY best assets are the Relief Society and the Full Time Elders. Tom Walker zeblonite wrote: >>From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. > > >First, I recommend using your priesthood quorums. Get the Elders >and HPs to visit/call so you don't have to do all the legwork >yourself. You need to be clear about what information you want them >to collect or they'll typically report information like "yeah, they >still live there" instead of getting the missing phone numbers, >additional family members, birthdates, etc. Make sure they report >incorrect information as well, such as phone numbers that are no >longer valid. > >Second, use the web. Use resources like www.whitepages.com. Again, >get the quorums to help with this. > >Third, discuss the issue in PEC or ward council. Mention specific >people, see whether anyone knows the families in question. A lot of >times the primary will know about a family that no one else has >really had contact with. > >You'll always have imperfect records. Even the best efforts will >leave some loose ends. > >- Darryl > >--- In ldsclerks at yahoogroups.com, "Jshawut" wrote: > > >>All, >> >>As a newly more rigorous membership clerk I've been faithfully >> >> >trying > > >>to track down missing information and missing people on the >> >> >records. > > >>I have really been spinning my wheels and trying to find >> >> >better/more > > >>efficient ways for greater success. What are some of the resources >>that you all use to help locate missing member information when it >>unknown. Is there a set of steps you all go through to find the >>issues of members: >> >>With a phone number but no address >>With an address and no phone number >>With neither an address nor a phone number (before sending the >> >> >record > > >>back to CHQ as unknown) >> >>I've had varied success, but as I looked out on the Wiki and the >>archives of the list I couldn't find a well-defined list (with >> >> >named > > >>resources) that would provide a clerk with a punch-list of to-do's >>before feeling good about sending the data on to CHQ. I intend to >>compile a list and get it added to the Wiki as well. >> >>-John >> >> >> >> > >>From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. >See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ > >Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com >To join: subscribe ldsclerks >To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks >To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest > > > > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From drepouille at hotmail.com Wed Mar 7 22:09:39 2007 From: drepouille at hotmail.com (Dana Repouille) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:09:39 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Done! Message-ID: <004001c76137$9755d9f0$0301a8c0@3nnwq61> >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. I just finished installing Desktop 5.5 on the 12 administrative computers in my stake, and correcting the DST settings on all computers in the stake (2000 and XP, FHC and admin). My next challenge is to connect the seven admin computers in the five buildings that have CCN connections to the Internet. I want wired connections, but the Facilities Manager wants wireless. I noticed at the branch I visited tonight that they had a Cisco Aironet 1200 in the FHC. It was installed when they were first connected to the Internet, but it has not been used for anything yet. Dana >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe ldsclerks To leave: unsubscribe ldsclerks To join digest: subscribe ldsclerks-digest From russellhltn at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 23:09:35 2007 From: russellhltn at gmail.com (Russell Hltn) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:09:35 -0500 Subject: LDSC: Java Version In-Reply-To: <200703080044.l280iXUM001532@mormonstoday.propagation.net> References: <200703080044.l280iXUM001532@mormonstoday.propagation.net> Message-ID: >From LDSClerks: Please see bottom of this message for subscription instructions and list URL. Given how touchy MLS can be, I'm not messing with it without instructions from SLC. I figure I have too much to loose, too little to gain. Being off by an hour is no big deal. On 3/6/07, John M. Shaw wrote: > > > All, > > With the upcoming DST I've been thinking about the Java version being used currently by our MLS. It currently is running 1.4.2 - Is this a standard for everyone or have you been updating the Java version as it's come out over the years? Does MLS run better/more effeciently under a newer Java version? > > -John > > > >From ldsclerks: Please do not send copyrighted material to ldsclerks. See list info at: http://www.MormonsToday.com/ldsclerks/ Send commands in the body of a message to majordomo at MormonsToday.com To join: subscribe